Somewhat loose call pre, given that I had no suits, but decided to see the flop with position.

Dream flop, over-trips with 3 overs. What?! With that action in front, what to do?

iPoker - €4 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €564.60 (VPIP: 33.98, PFR: 21.36, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 104)
BB: €473.00 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
UTG: €478.44 (VPIP: 70.97, PFR: 45.16, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 32)
MP: €160.50 (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 14.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 1,336)
CO: €1,259.98 (VPIP: 48.87, PFR: 31.83, 3Bet Preflop: 12.06, Hands: 321)
Hero (BTN): €434.08

SB posts SB €2.00, BB posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has 5 9 8 6

UTG raises to €12.00, fold, CO raises to €42.00, Hero calls €42.00, fold, fold, UTG calls €30.00

Flop: (€132.00, 3 players) 4 9 9
UTG bets €92.40, CO raises to €404.00,

"Somewhat loose" is an understatement!

You have 321 hands with the guy, so you can tell us if CO's a complete nutjob or not.

In the absence of such reads, it's a relatively easy fold.

Yeah fold pre and fold flop

Or we talking about pre or post?

Oops. First line: pre. Rest: post.

somewhat of a nut-case pre, less so post, but not averse in making big plays. If it were a HU pot, my money would have been there like a shot.

UTG's donk bet is sort of surprising, giving the dry nature of the board with 2 players behind. Even 44/94 worried about being outdrawn for free would surely have gone in for a CR, as a bet with the 9 is almost mandatory from those players. If there are no 9s out there, the chance of an outdraw is much reduced, and if its checked around, donking out on the turn looks like a stab, and may get calls from weaker hands.

Could CO be thinking along the same lines, and decide to resteal, knowing I can't really call without a 9, or even with a weak 9?

Just out of interest, if 5689r is not good enough to cold call at the btn from a CO 3 bet of an UTG raise in an aggressive table, what sort of hands are we looking for before entering the pot?

Obviously aces, good or bad, DS high run-downs without an aces, good pair with connecting cards and good double pairs. Do we play any hands containing ace, even if suited? EG., Would you rather be holding ATJK DS or TJQK DS or 9TJQ DS, given that we 'might' be facing aces out there?

Fold pre /thread

LOL. So many masterful players that couldn't be bothered with inane threads posted from donks like me. Though why they still read, much less reply ,when its so much beneath them I'll never know.

I know its probably beneath you, but once you have relied, shouldn't you at least attempt to justify why you feel that the thread should be folded? Us lesser mortals are not as clever as you, and need to be told why, even though it may be simple as 1+1 to pros like you.

UTG can be bluffing
CO maybe preflop aggro crazy QQJJ with backddors, or has 44 AA9 AKK9 or something
you have ~31% anyway?

115 deep in 3bet pot

EASIEST SHOVE EVER

but reading responses ITT seriously it's like I don't know what the **** is going on with plo meta nowadays

Pre is fine against tighter ranges imo but here I think there is enough weight in their 9T JT QJ etc to make you dominated too much, against these players so far it seems that you don't need to paly your BTN here.

I´m guessing that people don´t like the hand for a few reasons, some of them being no suit, one gap, gap isn´t at the bottom of the hand etc. With that said, I probably wouldn´t fold pre either, given that we have position on a huge fish in a reraised pot.

OTF, I would assume that CO doesn´t do this without at least a 9 vs UTG player type. It all comes down to whether UTG is capable of sticking it in basically dead (with an overpair etc.) vs two players, in which case we would make money by calling. We have to fold if this is a bet/fold type of situation to UTG. We would need something like 39 % equity to break even if we get it in vs CO only and we just don´t have that vs bare 9 (this obv. includes some splits vs hands that are similar to our hand). We do however win a little if CO holds 44.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

2,152,500 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 4 9 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 9s 8d 6c	40.26%	865,679	1,917
44	59.74%	1,284,904	1,917

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 4 9 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5h 9s 8d 6c	36.35%	197,900	40,434
9	63.65%	361,666	40,434

BTW, just to give you an illustration why people don´t like that call pre:

This is how the same hand would do vs a bare 9 if you add two backdoor flush draws:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 4 9 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s 9s 8c 6c	38.92%	214,043	38,894
9	61.09%	347,063	38,894

The added value of flush draws makes a big difference in a lot of situations.

yeah flop is a clear call. We need 38.9% equity (assuming UTG folds). Against 44 we have 40% and against 9xxx we have 36.4%. If UTG calls too our equity required will go down yet the equity we have will stay pretty much the same. If CO is any wider than 9xxx and 44 then folding would just be ridiculously terrible.

I have no problem about people disliking the call preflop, as it could be deemed a little too loose. I do have a major problem with him saying that the thread should be folded without giving any reasons, as though the discussion is beneath him.

fold pre, fold flop, fold life