weak aa shove for 250bb pre? - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

is it better to shove weak AA pre for 250bb when raised or see a flop?

I got reraised and was able to shove. But i can be up against better AA against premium kk. But do i have to play this AA here because I am always a mini favorite?
i decided to flat to see a flop.

A flop without a K , also non dynamic; non straightning, non flushing.

So then I decided to pot the flop.

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01-21-2014 , 03:30 PM

mattb7755

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just get it in pre

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01-23-2014 , 02:12 PM

Paulo Joha

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go ahead. i did it today 3 times. with medium aa stronger then this one. :

result 1 badbeat vs other aa. and two vs crap bingo players. a total loss of 800 bbs. 800bbs..800bbs.....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
how to win this back? tell me?

i say only bet premium a good argument why not.

not because you have a 3 % edge preflop... because if you get paid only small pots and lose the big ones how are you going to solve that?

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01-23-2014 , 02:39 PM

MultiTabling

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^ you obviously can't deal with the variance in omaha.

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01-23-2014 , 02:51 PM

ijustclickbuttons

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OP, you're doing it wrong.

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01-23-2014 , 07:08 PM

Paulo Joha

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i am still 50bb/100 over 80k hands. but yes i have a problem with variance for 250bb pots i think its a smarter growing strategy to not do that pre with weak aa especialy 3 way. only with ds prem aa. or a ds medium rundown..

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01-23-2014 , 08:03 PM

faxek

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50bb/100 over 80k hands? Thats insane. May I suggest moving up?

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01-23-2014 , 08:22 PM

Paulo Joha

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Originally Posted by faxek

50bb/100 over 80k hands? Thats insane. May I suggest moving up?

yes i know. i will asap

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01-23-2014 , 09:35 PM

sauhund

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close this. it should be strategy, not whining.

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01-24-2014 , 10:53 AM

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Paulo Joha

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Originally Posted by sauhund

close this. it should be strategy, not whining.

what are you talking? What whining?

this is strategy. it is a very important question. with lot of room for debate. i am curious to many opinions.

dont close this thread offcourse.

@sauhund: post some smart comment about my question. This is an essential strategy question for any player.

Post a smart response to that before, or in this case after a stupid comment like you just did.

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01-24-2014 , 11:15 AM

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sauhund

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Originally Posted by Paulo Joha

smart response? if you can get your stack in preflop with AAxx, it´s +EV. so much for strategy.
re whining, i´m pretty positive this thread wouldn´t exist if you won the hand.

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01-24-2014 , 11:52 AM

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Capitano

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Originally Posted by Paulo Joha

it is a very important question. with lot of room for debate.

No it is not. Just get it in pre. It's that simple.

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01-24-2014 , 12:31 PM

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Paulo Joha

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@sauhund: are you winning big? Did you move up through the stakes?

I won often with a weak aa preflop for a big pot. That is the whole reason why i ask. If i only lose its obviuos..

Yes i know plo by numbers.

PPT says its ev plus; offcourse.

but that does not make it a good strategic play.

If I lose 250bbs ten times in a row with a small edge pre. It will take me many hands to grow to the next stake. MAybe go broke before then what??

A better strategic play can be to flat or sometimes fold these weak AA for 250 bbs pre, multiway and use other nut hands postflop to pump the pot max.

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01-24-2014 , 12:36 PM

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sauhund

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thx for enlighten me. you clearly have the game figuered out, i will study your posts now and copy your style. how could i be so blind, but you enlightened me like jesus did with the blind man...

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01-25-2014 , 07:39 AM

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Capitano

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paulo, plo is about taking spots with high variance, but +ev.

and there is a way to most likely not go broke although ending up in some high variance spots.

Spoiler:

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01-25-2014 , 01:38 PM

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Czech Rays

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One of these OPs will appear in different 2p2 forums every few months. The background is usually similar, an at best breakeven player who has been running good (therefore thinks he is brilliant, and has poker solved) is now running bad (therefore something is wrong and and for sure it isn't OP).

Of this be sure, OP will retire from poker/the internet/life before he accepts any of the very clear and simple truths put forward above.

Oh, and he'll get embroiled in personal spats and name calling along the way to pointlessness.

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01-25-2014 , 02:08 PM

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fishinfornuts

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you're doing it wrong

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01-25-2014 , 02:26 PM

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pweelin

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Paulo is a friend of mine , I sure he means no ill intent whatsoever , he has his point , although mathematically its to put most of your stack in with AA bad or good , y do that and gamble with the micro fishes and put alot of things in the hand of Fate , when u can just slowly grind them off and watch them stack off with trips no kicker , low end of straight , low flushes

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01-25-2014 , 02:48 PM

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CreepyHawking

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Originally Posted by pweelin

mathematically its to put most of your stack in with AA bad or good , y do that and gamble with the micro fishes and put alot of things in the hand of Fate

y? Because it's +EV.

If you have a 50BI bankroll and keep getting your money in with 55% equity, the chance to go bust is less than 1%. If you have a 100BI bankroll, that chance is less than 0.00003%. So you gamble with the micro fishes when you have AA because it's nicely +EV and you're properly bankrolled.

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01-25-2014 , 03:10 PM

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mattb7755

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Originally Posted by pweelin

why not do both?

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01-25-2014 , 06:26 PM

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Quadtwos

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Originally Posted by Paulo Joha

er...really 50bbs/100? really? Am I reading this wrong, but you do mean 50bbs per 100 hands, right? which means at 80K hands, you are in profit to the tune of 40K bbs...

May I ask what stakes you are playing at, and why aren't you now one of the richest players on the planet by moving up if you play at low stakes??

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01-26-2014 , 12:15 AM

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MultiTabling

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Originally Posted by CreepyHawking

not true because you have to take account of rake.

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01-26-2014 , 03:04 PM

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Paulo Joha

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Originally Posted by Quadtwos

yes 50 big blinds hundred hands over more then 80000 hands now.
but this on plo 2.

i have a lot of experience playing plo mtts for a long time. And Ive played a period cashgames before but the wrong way..and studied videos and books aswell.
I will move up soon. But as I may be one of the most winning players I may also be one of the poorest players. So i needed to cash out my profits.

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01-26-2014 , 06:53 PM

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i duck fonkeys

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Proof of 50bb/100 over 80k hands please. This has to been seen.

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01-26-2014 , 07:22 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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heck sometimes i don't want the variance and play it safe, usually if its the last hand of the session and up a nice amount and ive got a big stack and another big stack 3bets, i say **** the variance, keep the pot small and feel nice about the session, winning sessions really helps me grind more, so whilst its not as +ev line, i'll take it just to lock up a win

in the middle of a session completely diff, shoveling monies in

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