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Old 06-20-2012, 08:46 AM   #16
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Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

+100500 ubermonk (as a by-product my turned topsets get paid , however I prefer drawy turns to raise, i.e. to be less polarised).

I've tried to apply ash05's pivot card (the only gap in a rundown that gives loads of backdoor equity if it flops) concept (vs a presumably loose passive but I failed to pay attention ; BTN and BB were tight), shoulda given up ott.

€0.10/0.20 PLO, 4 players

SB €15.86
BB €12.88
Hero (CO) €32.77 7563
BTN €13.45

Hero raises to €0.7, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop (€1.6, 2 players) KJ4

SB checks, Hero bets €0.8, SB calls

Turn (€3.2) T

SB checks, Hero bets €2.5, SB raises to €9, Hero folds
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:35 AM   #17
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Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

check flop and as played give up turn, like you said
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:19 AM   #18
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    Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13284032

    Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
    BTN: $109.31 (218.6 bb)
    MP: $27.75 (55.5 bb)
    SB: $206.98 (414 bb)
    CO: $56.96 (113.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 7 J 8
    MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.25, BTN folds, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, MP folds

    Flop: ($7.25) 9 A T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, SB calls $5

    Turn: ($22.25) 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15.85, SB calls $15.85, Hero calls $15.85

    River: ($69.80) T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $26.90 and is all-in, CO folds, SB calls $26.90

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      Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13284042

      Hero (SB): $50.93 (101.9 bb)
      CO: $27.68 (55.4 bb)
      BTN: $44.85 (89.7 bb)
      MP: $37.76 (75.5 bb)
      BB: $65.52 (131 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 J T 8
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2) 3 5 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5) Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

      River: ($13) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $9.26, Hero raises to $40.13, BB calls $30.87

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      Old 06-20-2012, 11:38 AM   #19
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      Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

      thinking about it again, i don't like the 2nd hand... prob better to just bet the river.

      Last edited by ubermonk; 06-20-2012 at 11:40 AM. Reason: changed my mind lolz
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      Old 06-20-2012, 01:33 PM   #20
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      +100500 ubermonk (as a by-product my turned topsets get paid , however I prefer drawy turns to raise, i.e. to be less polarised).
      if turning topset was an option on that board raisings much more believable as you have a lot of Aa/KK in your range, however Qs are higher than 3s last time i checked.

      agree w/ the bolded part a billion, just make sure your raising smaller as if youre doing it ad naseum youre very shifted to draws
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      Old 06-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #21
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      Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

      played that hand more than a year ago btw.....was prob just tilted or something
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      Old 06-20-2012, 02:10 PM   #22
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      makes zero sense, and well hes got the hand youre trying to rep
      what? i slowplay a set here all day long.
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      Old 06-20-2012, 02:26 PM   #23
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      just make sure your raising smaller as if youre doing it ad naseum youre very shifted to draws
      Don't worry, generally I raise turns smaller with my entire raising range, there's to need in expensive bluffs
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      Old 06-20-2012, 03:30 PM   #24
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      Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

      im done hijacking this thread after this post-
      yes it may be good to slowplay sets on that board, but 2 things:
      1. combinatorically youre not going to have that many sets in your range, very rarely 22 or 33. combinatorically youre not calling that many 88xx to 3bets deep, its not going to play that well.

      2. if youre slowplaying the flop, the turns a great turn to slowplay to get another bet out of him otr. so u have even fewer sets in your turn raising range.

      2a.what are you really trying to get him to fold by bluff raising this turn? i would argue it being 1 pair hands. i think zero 2 pairs are folding out besides a wierd 23. this can be done cheaper and w/ more information on rivers, getting another bad card for 1 pair hands to come out/him check give up.

      johan- i love you posted the hand it should be very instructive-- im trying to find a unsuccessful k blocker bluff i made, but i only seem to go to 2p2 after i start sessions
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      Old 06-20-2012, 06:32 PM   #25
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      +100500 ubermonk (as a by-product my turned topsets get paid , however I prefer drawy turns to raise, i.e. to be less polarised).

      I've tried to apply ash05's pivot card (the only gap in a rundown that gives loads of backdoor equity if it flops) concept (vs a presumably loose passive but I failed to pay attention ; BTN and BB were tight), shoulda given up ott.

      €0.10/0.20 PLO, 4 players

      SB €15.86
      BB €12.88
      Hero (CO) €32.77 7563
      BTN €13.45

      Hero raises to €0.7, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

      Flop (€1.6, 2 players) KJ4

      SB checks, Hero bets €0.8, SB calls

      Turn (€3.2) T

      SB checks, Hero bets €2.5, SB raises to €9, Hero folds
      Really really bad turn to barrel. Villain folds so little of his range on the turn, meaning we have to blindly barrel river without truely understanding his range.
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      Old 06-20-2012, 06:35 PM   #26
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        Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13284032

        Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
        BTN: $109.31 (218.6 bb)
        MP: $27.75 (55.5 bb)
        SB: $206.98 (414 bb)
        CO: $56.96 (113.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with K 7 J 8
        MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.25, BTN folds, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, MP folds

        Flop: ($7.25) 9 A T (3 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, SB calls $5

        Turn: ($22.25) 4 (3 players)
        SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15.85, SB calls $15.85, Hero calls $15.85

        River: ($69.80) T (3 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $26.90 and is all-in, CO folds, SB calls $26.90

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          Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13284042

          Hero (SB): $50.93 (101.9 bb)
          CO: $27.68 (55.4 bb)
          BTN: $44.85 (89.7 bb)
          MP: $37.76 (75.5 bb)
          BB: $65.52 (131 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 J T 8
          3 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.50

          Flop: ($2) 3 5 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

          Turn: ($5) Q (2 players)
          Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

          River: ($13) A (2 players)
          Hero checks, BB bets $9.26, Hero raises to $40.13, BB calls $30.87

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          Hand 1 we need to be folding turn. Our equity isn't really great, and we're almost never going to be bluffing with solid intelligence on river.

          Hand 2, C/R river makes no sense. If we intend to barrel river, just bet. It folds out some of his range. This doesn't seem like a planned c/r, but rather an impulsive wtf when he bet.
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          Old 06-20-2012, 06:49 PM   #27
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          Re: Unsuccesful Bluff Thread

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          Hand 1 we need to be folding preflop. Our equity isn't really great, and we're almost never going to be bluffing with solid intelligence on river.

          Hand 2, C/R river makes no sense. If we intend to barrel river, just bet. It folds out some of his range. This doesn't seem like a planned c/r, but rather an impulsive wtf when he bet.
          fixed it
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          Old 06-20-2012, 06:57 PM   #28
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          fixed it
          More like, fold when asked to register on poker site.

          For some reason i always skip pre-flop action in PLO strategy posts. But yes, this is more correct than Kesha's penis holder being designed for a penis.
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          Old 06-20-2012, 07:01 PM   #29
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          Poker Stars $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
          DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

          BTN: $500.00
          SB: $179.00
          Hero (BB): $515.20
          CO: $507.60

          Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 5 8 5 J
          1 fold, BTN raises to $8.60, SB calls $7.60, Hero calls $6.60

          Flop: ($25.80) 6 2 3 (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $20.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $65, BTN calls $45

          Turn: ($155.80) A (2 players)
          Hero bets $118.00, BTN calls $118

          River: ($391.80) 4 (2 players)
          Hero bets $323.20, BTN calls $308.40 all in

          Final Pot: $1008.60
          BTN shows 6 A A 9
          Hero shows 5 8 5 J
          BTN wins $1007.40
          (Rake: $0.80)
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          Old 06-20-2012, 07:06 PM   #30
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          f station
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