Villain is 36/20/ with a 3 bet of 12% a tricky REG... 900 hands



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $396.29 (198.1 bb)
SB: $374.41 (187.2 bb)
BB: $919.33 (459.7 bb)
UTG: $413.38 (206.7 bb)
MP: $177.81 (88.9 bb)
CO: $782.19 (391.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 Q T A
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $14, BB folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) A 9 J (2 players)
SB bets $21.09, Hero calls $21.09

Turn: ($72.18) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $69.43, Hero calls $69.43 Thoughts?

River: ($211.04) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $127, Hero ?

Why would you call turn to fold to a card that changes nothing?

As played you have to call river.

Should I pop turn or is call ok?


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Sorry ignore my post. I thought u had top 2. I think you can fold river

It is close but for this sizing we probably have to call.

So you decide to:

1. Call a 3bet against a reg who 3bets 12% of the time. I'm ok with that considering your hand and position.

2. He's doing this from the SB with a 12% 3betting stat. Should raise a red flag.

3. You call a 2/3 pot sized bet on the flop that contains an Ace

4. You call a pot sized bet on a blank turn

What do you think villain has? I know you have an Ace but is it possible villain has AAxx? I don't know but it sure looks that way. Or what about AKQJ, AKJT, AQJT, AJT9. Either way, I don't like calling the turn at all.


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2. what red flags about 12% 3b?

3. should he fold? flop is not that good for our hand

4. we should fold? what hands we call with?

thanks

2. Red flag is such a low 3bet percentage.

3. Calling the flop isn't bad. Hero does have top and middle pair.

4. Folding the turn is obvious in my opinion. I'm not stacking off with 2 pair against a good/tricky/aggressive reg who doesn't 3bet that often.


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Tough. I think you could reasonably go either way on every street. Don't raise anywhere.

I think just fold turn since we have blockers to his draws and no longer have any odds to draw ourselves.

12% isn't exactly a very low overall 3bet percentage @ 6max, and even if opponent's 3betting all his aces (which i doubt he will as we're almost 200bb deep), AAxx don't make up a large part of his 3b range.

flop is fine. turn is fine. we hold some showdown value on a draw heavy board that hits villains range harder than ours. we do have nut outs. and we might get to represent hearts on river. so folding turn this deep is a big no no imo.

river is a bit more difficult, but i lean towards calling vs this sizing, as both flush and straight draws missed and only calling with AJ+ seems a bit too exploitable to me. the Ah in our hand makes things a bit funky here of course.

lol @ 12% being such a small 3b in 6max
if his overall 3b is 12 he is 3b SB vs BTN a LOT, and hero min raised BTN so he might 3b even more. him being tricky/aggresive makes him more likely to barrell, not the opposite

You block a lot of combo draws which kinda suck but in a SB vs BTN vs aggro opponent i am calling down, especially that sizing on the river
we have to be good 1 out of 4 times

In your opinion, am I being too nitty in my analysis? I'm asking because I have a tendency to fold a lot in these situations thinking I'm beat simply based on the aggressiveness and bet sizing.

In reviewing other comments in different posts, I'm starting to wonder if I have a leak or maybe the others are way too aggressive and optimistic. Thanks in advance.

AC


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Playing this hand IP, folding on the turn is too nitty i think yes.

- we need 33% equity for a call to break even. if you play around with the simulator on propokertools.com you will realize that even against AAxx we have around 19%
- we might get paid off on river when we hit our straight
- we might have decent FE on a flush river when villain checks to us
- we also do have decent showdown value on river when villain checks to us (so checking on a flush river is an option too)

so even against a strong range where we might lack a little equity against we should call turn as there is enough money left on river to make up for it.

Which games you play has 12%+ overall 3b?

I don't think the math works like that

of course it does. maybe reread my post: i specifically said that the call is breaking even. this is not taking into account any implied odds we have when hitting river or possible FE, it is solely about the call in a vacuum. anything else is mentioned later in my post.

He is 8% sb vs btn 3 betting. What do you make of the river size bet of villain?

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It depends. It comes down to ranges and villain tendancies. Dont get too hung up on aggression and bet sizing. The best online players always make you think you're beat. You only become better by shifting that mindset and playing the maths.

i reread your post, i thought you were making a general statement with "A CALL", which i don't think the math works like that.

If you are referring to "THE CALL" for specifically this hand, maybe it does.

Is this an apology of sorts from gay? What a time to be alive

so what's your contribution here exactly? if you want to discuss the english language you might want to enroll in the respective course at your local university. if, on the other hand, you just want to make sure everybody knows what a nit you are: we got that by now.

if you read the first line of my post once again i was obviously referring to our specific hand, specifically on the turn. the fact that the break-even equity threshold for any call depends on bet sizing is also indicating that i was not making a general but rather a specific statement.

learn to read.

edit: sorry for the derail lucas. i had my 5 minutes for today. i try to stay on topic in your threads from now on.

Mate all good - Good discussion thread this

So what would be considered low, med, high 3bet ranges for 6max PLO? Assuming from the chin music I got in this post that 12% is high?


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English is not my first language. I just don't agree with the statement that we need 33% equity to call a pot sized bet when there is one more street to play.