PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players


BB: $5.00
Hero (UTG): $5.63
CO: $5.00
BTN: $5.00
SB: $9.59

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 3 T 3 T

Hero raises to $0.17, fold, fold, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.51, 3 players) 9 3 J
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.34, fold, BB calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.19, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.72, BB raises to $3.30, Hero calls $2.58

River: ($7.79, 2 players) Q
BB bets $1.19 and is all-in, fold

BB is 28/12/0 over 200+ hands. On the turn I called with the idea of calling the 24bb left on full and flush cards. Turn bet is ok? Sizing?

id prob just 3bet the turn, you could easily have the best hand there vs KJ/K9+(fd or gutter or both)

Leaning towards xing turn.

Our outs are no nut outs so pbb xing for pot control. Draw was made, two pair will have a hard time calling the turn cause we give action drom utg and bet the flop threeway so we have to have something.

Had a similair hand yesterday in which I decided to bet the turn, got checkraised, rivered a flush but ran into a higher flush so we def. can't count the flush outs as full outs.

From my experience villains are not raising the turn with top two on a straight-board often. Ofc villain can have two pair + fd but even with that hand I tend to seem most of them (and this villain doesn't look too overaggressive) check calling the turn.

If there was some gutshot made or we had a lower SPR we are better of betting the turn and going with it but now I think we are better of checking.

Now for the 1/7th potbet left I'm pbb shoving the turn cause he can have the two pair + flushdraw ofc and we get to see his hand at least for that bit of money.

Not sure how often PLO5 players actually take this line with anything less that QT? I've never played this low so I guess it's easy for me to potentially make some incorrect assumptions, I just assumed most players are either LAG spewers or ABC nits.

Not good.

If PLO5 is anything like PLO2z, then this is almost always either QTxx or KKxx, especially when it's potted.

Yes, leaving way too much value on the table if we check behind on the turn.

Given that we'll assume PLO5 players are total nits and will only raise this turn with QT and KK, is there enough room to bet/fold turn? I definitely don't like the idea of checking turn, so if we bet is there enough reason to justify a bet/call or just bet/fold and look for a better spot at these stakes?

We have 40% equity against the nuts. Doing anything other than b/c or b/gii OTT is bad.

Against QTxx we have the flush and boat/quads outs, so that's 17 outs if I've counted correctly, and is enough to call.

Against KKxx we have only the flush outs (that don't pair the board) and 3, which gives us 9 outs and is not enough to call.

Occasionally we'll be out-flushed.

So it mostly comes down to how often he has QTxx versus KKxx. We'd have to do a full range analysis.

QT is much bigger part of his range than KK. Some strong KK hands will 3b pre. Weak KK that just flat probably shouldn't be x/c flop here as it will mostly just be a bare over pair with the only way to improve hitting a K being a non-nut out. So then we're left with some KK that calls but then very few of these hands will raise the turn - since QT is a big part of our range, KK doesn't have enough value in raising turn. The only exception is if it has a FD to go with it. Even then, many players will still just flat with their hand OTT.

Some players, even regs, at the very low stakes don't have a 3-betting range. Looks like villain might be one of them.

A lot of players at lowest stakes are calling the flop with a lot of overpairs. And there are players who will just think "I've got top set, I'm going to stack off" without considering the board, ranges, etc. So this line is quite plausible with KKxx at these stakes. Some players will call flop, call turn, too, with KKxx. Some players will do that with QTxx because they think they're being clever and trappy by slowplaying the nuts on the turn.

That said, there might still be more QTxx in his range than KKxx. We also have the card removal effects that we hold two T's and there's on K on the board. I think we'd have to plug the ranges into software, and test out a range of different sets of assumptions, to get a reasonable figure.

OK so this villain is almost always flatting KK pre. You're right, there are some players that call flop with overpairs. But generally the players that do are the 40+ VPIP players - not the nut-peddling passive regfish. These players know that a bare overpair is a weak hand and won't call a flop bet with it unless they are getting a very good price or have some other equity in the form of a gutshot/back door flush draw at least.

And yes, you're right that some players will stack off with KK OTT without considering the board/ranges etc. But again - a typical nut-peddling passive regfish is not the type of player that is going to do that.

Woah I missed that we have a flush draw here too. No b/f lol.

i am reluctant to fold the river for this price so would just gii on the turn