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Tricky spot w/ wrap facing aggressive villain Tricky spot w/ wrap facing aggressive villain

07-22-2014 , 04:59 PM
Table: PLO 6max .25/.5 #0
Seat 3: Hero (120.26)
Seat 5: Villain (88.38)
Seat 6: Random (33.45)
random has the dealer button
Hero posts small blind 0.25
Villain posts big blind 0.50
** Hole Cards **
Dealt to Hero [8h Jd Ad 7h]
Random calls 0.50
Hero raises to 1
Villain calls 0.50
Random calls 0.50
** Flop ** [9d Tc Ah]
Hero bets 2.02
Villain raises to 7.04
Random folds
Hero calls 5.02
** Turn ** [Qc]
Hero checks
Villain bets 15.69
Hero calls 15.69
** River ** [Ac]
Hero checks
Villain bets 42.06

-I min raised pre because villain had been 3betting me in position a decent amount, but i still wanted to build the pot a little bit.

-On the flop i have top pair with a not so great wrap. I have very few hands with villain and don't use a hud, however i've seen villain play very aggressively with 2p+, draws etc. I think because villain is also fairly aggressive pre, that he raises my min raise with a lot of the hands that would flop a nutty wrap, so i'm leaning more towards sets/ and 2p rather than wraps.

-On the turn i make the king high straight and check for pot control. Villain pots. I think its pretty reasonable that i have the best hand here, since its hard for me to imagine too many hands that villain reraises flop with that have KJ in them that he didn't reraise pre (AKJT, AKJ9, 9TKJ, 9JQK, TJQK etc) With that in mind i was thinking maybe i should have shoved turn?

-obv river is a fold.

thanks for any thoughts.
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07-22-2014 , 05:14 PM
Pukeworthy. I fold turn.
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07-22-2014 , 05:23 PM
maybe i should have. Whats your reasoning If you dont mind me asking?
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07-22-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by C4rboxylic
maybe i should have. Whats your reasoning If you dont mind me asking?
You have top pair, every hand that continues from flop beats you.
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07-22-2014 , 07:37 PM
Hero has a straight, mate
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07-22-2014 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Hero has a straight, mate
True. Do you call the river bet?
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07-22-2014 , 09:20 PM
Fold turn. You may be drawing dead to a king on the turn, and you're OOP against an aggressive player. What are you going to do on the river when the board pairs or a blank comes and your hand hasn't improved? He's almost certainly firing again, and are you willing to call a bet the size of a buy-in with a sucker straight?

Sucky spot to be in, but that's the way Omaha goes. You can't be afraid to fold what may or may not be the best hand...

On another note, why raise preflop?

Last edited by VerdantDevil; 07-22-2014 at 09:21 PM. Reason: Additional comment
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07-22-2014 , 09:59 PM
I don't know what's worse... some of OP's thought processes or some of the replies in this thread.
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07-22-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
I don't know what's worse... some of OP's thought processes or some of the replies in this thread.
Glad to see you've raised the bar.
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07-23-2014 , 12:31 AM
You just did probably the most common big mistake in low stakes, overplaying non nutty wraps. I would not pot the flop OOP to bloat the pot, what would you do vs a reraise? You surely wouldnt want to get in on the flop, neither set yourself up to a bad position on the later streets.

Check call to hit the turn and if the opponent doesnt show willingness to win the pot, you take it. A wrap itself isnt a good hand, atleast not OOP.
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07-23-2014 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by terzi123

Check call to hit the turn and if the opponent doesnt show willingness to win the pot, you take it. A wrap itself isnt a good hand, atleast not OOP.
Yeah I think this is the best course of action in retrospect.
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07-23-2014 , 01:28 AM
Idk, I think I play it the same
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07-23-2014 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by C4rboxylic
Glad to see you've raised the bar.
It was late and I was just off to bed

OP's thought process is good for the most part, just this bit that made me laugh: "I checked turn for pot control"

Folding turn is just absurd though - yeah, we don't have nuts and could be drawing dead but it's pretty unlikely for reasons OP has pointed out and if we fold now we're just going to get run over.

Hand is played OK - I think shoving turn is a decent option given how unlikely it is for villain to have KJ. (I guess KJTT and KJ99 are only hands that might play this way that might just flat pre) We are a bit deep though and villain prob has a decent amount of equity vs us - would suck to run into the nut straight and be drawing dead.

Also think 3-betting flop is a possibility - we can rep AA here and villain can't really ship flop with 2 pair (or middle/bottom set) and be happy. If he just calls, we can ship on blank turns and expect a lot of folds - or we could hit the turn card anyway. We have 2 BD flush draws though and our hand plays OK as a call for the most part - 2 straight draws aren't to the nuts but the Q one as we established is probably good most of the time.
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07-23-2014 , 04:07 PM
don't fold the turn - he could be value-betting worse, or he could be semi-bluffing

villain's bet-sizing on the river is suspicious. he is repping a big full house like AQ/AT/A9, but you have a blocker, and it's not clear why those hands raised all the streets. KJcc is the only other combo i see betting full pot on the river. if he bluffs a lot i would be inclined to call because the Ac is like the scariest card and he should definitely bet his entire bluffing range. otherwise folding river is standard.
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07-24-2014 , 03:37 AM
min raise pre I dont like, pot or complete in SB,

i play the same post
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07-24-2014 , 05:26 PM
Thanks for your replies guys. I appreciate the responses.
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