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Transitioning to PLO where do I begin? Transitioning to PLO where do I begin?

02-21-2017 , 03:09 AM
I really don't know where to begin. Not sure how to learn either. For example I don't even know what hands I should be opening.

Am I right in saying I feel like protection betting is important in PLO? For example, 88 might be good on Kxx in NL most of the time and get to the river unimproved and still win so I would be looking to try and get this hand to SD, however, in PLO it seems like this hand would play better as a flop bet to deny equity because it's too weak to check call and will often be outdrawn by the river.
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02-21-2017 , 03:22 AM
You are right. There is a lot of free plo material. Google is your best friend.
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02-25-2017 , 02:19 AM
First and foremost PLO is a drawing game. Your motto should be "always be drawing". Your goal is not to have SD value, your goal is to make big draws. If you have 88xx on a Kxx flop who cares about denying equity, thats not where your edge will come in. Just let it go. Generally speaking playing towards nut draws or at least very high draws will be your friend. PLO is a very deep game so there are plenty of circumstances where you can range your opponents for alternate draws and know that your 6 high flush will actually be good if it hits. Starting hands should consist of 4 cards that all compliment each other. AK76 is bad, AKJT is good, AKQJ is better.

I think a lot of PLO players tend to look at their cards as forming 2 independent hands. For instance if they have AKs with 77, they see that as a NFD and setmining potential. This is bad. Yes either of those hands will make strong hands if they hit, but what you really want to be doing is having a combination of draws at the same time. You dont want to just hit a set, or just hit a NFD. You want to hit a NFD with OESD, or hit a set with OESD.

Your hands dont have to be perfectly aligned in synchronous order, but try to avoid cards that are too far disconnected to make a draw with the other cards. For instance 7892 is bad, 4789 is better but tricky to play, and of course 5789 or 6789 would be even better.

One huge leak players have is playing "danglers", meaning a totally random irrelevant low card to their hand. AKQ2, JJQ3, etc. You can sorta play these if theyre suited and maybe you're first to raise on the BTN or iso'ing a really loose passive player who limped UTG. But you'd also do just fine folding all of them. Playing a tight range in PLO is playing like 20vpip, so coming from NLHE you shouldnt really be getting bored as you'll feel like you're playing a good bit of hands.
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02-25-2017 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
First and foremost PLO is a drawing game. Your motto should be "always be drawing". Your goal is not to have SD value, your goal is to make big draws. If you have 88xx on a Kxx flop who cares about denying equity, thats not where your edge will come in. Just let it go. Generally speaking playing towards nut draws or at least very high draws will be your friend. PLO is a very deep game so there are plenty of circumstances where you can range your opponents for alternate draws and know that your 6 high flush will actually be good if it hits. Starting hands should consist of 4 cards that all compliment each other. AK76 is bad, AKJT is good, AKQJ is better.

I think a lot of PLO players tend to look at their cards as forming 2 independent hands. For instance if they have AKs with 77, they see that as a NFD and setmining potential. This is bad. Yes either of those hands will make strong hands if they hit, but what you really want to be doing is having a combination of draws at the same time. You dont want to just hit a set, or just hit a NFD. You want to hit a NFD with OESD, or hit a set with OESD.

Your hands dont have to be perfectly aligned in synchronous order, but try to avoid cards that are too far disconnected to make a draw with the other cards. For instance 7892 is bad, 4789 is better but tricky to play, and of course 5789 or 6789 would be even better.

One huge leak players have is playing "danglers", meaning a totally random irrelevant low card to their hand. AKQ2, JJQ3, etc. You can sorta play these if theyre suited and maybe you're first to raise on the BTN or iso'ing a really loose passive player who limped UTG. But you'd also do just fine folding all of them. Playing a tight range in PLO is playing like 20vpip, so coming from NLHE you shouldnt really be getting bored as you'll feel like you're playing a good bit of hands.
Sounds like you play low-mid stakes live
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02-25-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Sounds like you play low-mid stakes live
5/5 baby Although it's not "my game" per se, but I'm a small winner in it over a few hundred hours when it runs.
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02-25-2017 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
Sounds like you play low-mid stakes live
Give him time, he'll get up to the big boy mid to high stakes games with some work ethic and run good
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02-25-2017 , 04:26 AM
also when I say "always be drawing" I dont mean like the other fish do chasing any and every draw. You want to draw, you just want to make sure your opponent is always drawing to second best.

And dont play every 2 pair on the flop like it's the nuts. 2 pair is probably the single most overplayed hand in PLO.
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02-25-2017 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
Sounds like you play low-mid stakes live
Lol that's what I thought when I read this also. His post sounds exactly like stuff you would hear a bad live reg say.
AKQ2 has a "totally irrelevant" dangler?
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02-25-2017 , 07:04 PM
Well ok maybe AKQ2 isnt as worthless since you could make a wheel draw, but danglers in general, like KQJ2 then. I see this all the time, if a player has 1 playable preflop draw then their other cards dont matter, they're seeing a flop no matter what. And yeah im probably bad but I'm just throwing out some extremely rudimentary advice that I've learned.
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02-25-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I see this all the time, if a player has 1 playable preflop draw then their other cards dont matter
That my friend is the beauty of live poker
A752 nut suit? Time to cold call a 3bet and try to flop a flush draw
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02-25-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
Well ok maybe AKQ2 isnt as worthless since you could make a wheel draw, but danglers in general, like KQJ2 then. I see this all the time, if a player has 1 playable preflop draw then their other cards dont matter, they're seeing a flop no matter what. And yeah im probably bad but I'm just throwing out some extremely rudimentary advice that I've learned.
We appreciate your advice and is prolly useful to new players at PLO2/PLO5. But making sweeping generalisations is very dangerous.

Also completely disagree with "drawing game" stuff.
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02-26-2017 , 05:33 AM
well ok I'm certainly not qualified to speak on PLO, only just started playing seriously this year. Looks like I still have a lot to learn then.
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02-26-2017 , 05:49 AM
In this case I agree with Gay. The advice is fine if you want to nut peddle in full ring games, but massively limits you

Go through this sticky and read up on everything http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...reads-1336137/

My immediate advice would be become aware of positional advantage as it's especially pertinent in PLO
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02-26-2017 , 07:52 AM
Turns out if you write the exact same stuff but nicely, people agrees with you.
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02-26-2017 , 10:35 AM
I only agree with disagreeing
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02-27-2017 , 10:21 AM
Better you don't begin. PLO is the most challenging thing in the area of psychical mindset. Its a indescribable stuff for your mental stress.
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02-27-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I think a lot of PLO players tend to look at their cards as forming 2 independent hands. For instance if they have AKs with 77, they see that as a NFD and setmining potential. This is bad. Yes either of those hands will make strong hands if they hit, but what you really want to be doing is having a combination of draws at the same time. You dont want to just hit a set, or just hit a NFD. You want to hit a NFD with OESD, or hit a set with OESD.
I'm pretty sure top set + NFD is one of the best "draw" in PLO. Axs + 77+ is definitely a good hand.
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