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06-25-2016 , 10:01 PM
Only 36 hands on villain 31/11 3bet 9.1%. Postflop fold to flop cbet 33% and raise flop cbet 67%. Sample size is horrible so don't think the stats count for much.

Question: What do we do here folding is out of the question. Do we prefer a call or a ship and why. If call what do you do on turns that put the flush or more straights out there check/fold?

My thinking was villains range should be wider than just the nuts since he seems pretty aggro overall in whatever little stats that are there and I ending up raising because if villains range is wider than just the nuts here it seems a pretty easy reraise.

[converted_hand]
BTN: $4.18 (209 bb)
SB: $2.97 (148.5 bb)
BB: $3.22 (161 bb)
Hero (UTG): $2.03 (101.5 bb)
MP: $2.19 (109.5 bb)
CO: $4.53 (226.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T 6 A A
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15) A 2 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.11, BTN raises to $0.48, Hero
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06-25-2016 , 10:06 PM
Same villain a few hands later. What now same questions as above.



    BTN: $1.31 (65.5 bb)
    SB: $2 (100 bb)
    BB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $2.81 (140.5 bb)
    MP: $6.14 (307 bb)
    CO: $1.11 (55.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q T 8 J
    Hero raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.21) 4 T 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.18, MP raises to $0.74, BTN folds, Hero
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    06-26-2016 , 01:14 PM
    You shouldnt assume villainnonly shows aggression with the nuts. There are many other hands that could take this action
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    06-26-2016 , 01:51 PM
    2nd hand in some ways depends alot on what he showed up with in #1 if you had a showdown, eg if he was very light #2 becomes relatively much stronger.

    Id probably flat both, stack off on all blank turns in #1, and probably stacking off on blank turns in #2. If a flush turns in #1 and he keeps betting large, you can probably fold, because you have a flush very often if he doesnt
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    06-26-2016 , 03:23 PM
    You can easily push for value in hand #1. Top set + flush draw is a favorite over the wheel. Stop worry about monsters under the bed and man up. It's going to take some gonads to win at this game.
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    06-26-2016 , 04:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davebreal
    You can easily push for value in hand #1. Top set + flush draw is a favorite over the wheel. Stop worry about monsters under the bed and man up. It's going to take some gonads to win at this game.
    We don't have top set + flush draw...

    Being OOP I would click it back. If he has 35 we're going broke anyway so I'd rather give him room to ship his 5567 or w/e bluffs he has. If we had position then calling becomes more favourable.
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    06-26-2016 , 06:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xptboy
    You shouldnt assume villainnonly shows aggression with the nuts. There are many other hands that could take this action
    Yeah that was my thinking and I reraised gii.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Praetor
    2nd hand in some ways depends alot on what he showed up with in #1 if you had a showdown, eg if he was very light #2 becomes relatively much stronger.

    Id probably flat both, stack off on all blank turns in #1, and probably stacking off on blank turns in #2. If a flush turns in #1 and he keeps betting large, you can probably fold, because you have a flush very often if he doesnt
    Yeah I didn't want to reveal that till I got a few comments in. First hand villain showed 6533ds no flush or backdoor flush draw. I raised gii on the flop.

    Second hand villain had the nuts again . I gii which was just spewy bad on my part. I think I should have called and reevaluated turn like you said.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davebreal
    You can easily push for value in hand #1. Top set + flush draw is a favorite over the wheel. Stop worry about monsters under the bed and man up. It's going to take some gonads to win at this game.
    Umm if I had top set + flush draw I would close my eyes and reraise all day everyday won't even check SPR

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    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    We don't have top set + flush draw...

    Being OOP I would click it back. If he has 35 we're going broke anyway so I'd rather give him room to ship his 5567 or w/e bluffs he has. If we had position then calling becomes more favourable.
    Yup. I think all options mentions on the first hand are probably viable besides folding ofcourse. Second hand was bad on my part I didn't pick up on the fact it was same villain till reviewing later playing zoom definitely misplayed second hand.
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    06-26-2016 , 08:31 PM
    I would be inclined to repop villain since even if he has the wheel it's not the end of the world :

    Omaha Hi Simulation ?
    10,250,000 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: As2s4d
    Hand Equity Wins Ties
    AhAd6dTs 38.55% 3,951,723 0
    35 61.45% 6,298,277 0




    and of course if he has anything else you are a massive favourite.
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    06-28-2016 , 11:34 AM
    Hand 1: Villain made it very awkward for himself if he has a flush draw, so I think we should repop.

    Hand 2: Very close spot, but without too much history on villain we're just deep enough that I think a gii with 2pair is slightly bad. We have a bit too much stuff to be folding though. So I think a call and reevaluate turn is best. There's a ton of different things that can happen on turn.
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    07-02-2016 , 08:33 AM
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    Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
    I would be inclined to repop villain since even if he has the wheel it's not the end of the world :

    Omaha Hi Simulation ?
    10,250,000 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: As2s4d
    Hand Equity Wins Ties
    AhAd6dTs 38.55% 3,951,723 0
    35 61.45% 6,298,277 0




    and of course if he has anything else you are a massive favourite.
    Yeah that's what I did and the equity numbers look about what I saw in HEM.

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    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    Hand 1: Villain made it very awkward for himself if he has a flush draw, so I think we should repop.

    Hand 2: Very close spot, but without too much history on villain we're just deep enough that I think a gii with 2pair is slightly bad. We have a bit too much stuff to be folding though. So I think a call and reevaluate turn is best. There's a ton of different things that can happen on turn.
    Yeah I repoped first hand. Second hand as you said should have called evaluated turn. Now that we know villain showed the nuts in the first hand does that change anything for you. Meaning would we consider folding to the flop raise?
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    07-02-2016 , 09:44 AM
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    Originally Posted by #@$#
    Second hand as you said should have called evaluated turn. Now that we know villain showed the nuts in the first hand does that change anything for you. Meaning would we consider folding to the flop raise?
    Villain showing 35 means something, but not a lot since 35 is going to be a part of anyone's range there. Again, flop for hand 2 is really close due to how passive unknowns actually play. I really can't fault a fold, but we're solidly in the upper part of our range here.
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    07-02-2016 , 02:11 PM
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    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    Villain showing 35 means something, but not a lot since 35 is going to be a part of anyone's range there. Again, flop for hand 2 is really close due to how passive unknowns actually play. I really can't fault a fold, but we're solidly in the upper part of our range here.
    I raised got it in on the flop in the second hand. Probably the worst of all the lines. I did not realize it was same villain until later on in reviewing my hands.
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