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01-18-2017 , 02:37 PM
PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $132.92
SB: $349.14 (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 116)
BB: $83.10 (VPIP: 32.85, PFR: 23.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.23, Hands: 1,281)
UTG: $101.89 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.37, Hands: 1,484)
MP: $73.54 (VPIP: 31.85, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 158)
CO: $62.33 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 13.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 4,217)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A Q 2 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25, 2 players) Q K 5
BB bets $10.69, Hero calls $10.69

Turn: ($32.63, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets $22.00, BB calls $22.00

River: ($76.63, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets $74.63
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01-18-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GRUFFALOGO
PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $132.92
SB: $349.14 (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 116)
BB: $83.10 (VPIP: 32.85, PFR: 23.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.23, Hands: 1,281)
UTG: $101.89 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.37, Hands: 1,484)
MP: $73.54 (VPIP: 31.85, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 158)
CO: $62.33 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 13.28, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 4,217)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has AThoughts?: QThoughts?: 2Thoughts? 9Thoughts?:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25, 2 players) QThoughts?: KThoughts?: 5Thoughts?:
BB bets $10.69, Hero calls $10.69

Turn: ($32.63, 2 players) 3Thoughts?:
BB checks, Hero bets $22.00, BB calls $22.00

River: ($76.63, 2 players) 6Thoughts?:
BB checks, Hero bets $74.63
Fold pre
Fold flop
As played think you have to shove river for a draw but don't like it

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01-18-2017 , 04:16 PM
Yeah, as above. Open is fine. Fold to 3bet. Fold flop.
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01-18-2017 , 05:34 PM
I fold to preflop 3-bet.

What is the plan on the flop? If it is to do what you did, then fine, but you have to be ready to fold a brick turn and probably check it behind if checked to. I like the turn bet given what fell.

I give up and check the river. There were no draws for villain to call with on the turn. Most players are not good enough to fold top set here. He is gritting his teeth and calling you down with TJ or KK and 60% of the time with AA as well. He is also calling with any decent diamonds -- the kind of call that makes this game so profitable as long as you don't own yourself by inducing it after floating.
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01-18-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyVee
I fold to preflop 3-bet.

What is the plan on the flop? If it is to do what you did, then fine, but you have to be ready to fold a brick turn and probably check it behind if checked to. I like the turn bet given what fell.

I give up and check the river. There were no draws for villain to call with on the turn. Most players are not good enough to fold top set here. He is gritting his teeth and calling you down with TJ or KK and 60% of the time with AA as well. He is also calling with any decent diamonds -- the kind of call that makes this game so profitable as long as you don't own yourself by inducing it after floating.
Yes, the plan was to bet diamonds.

Villain ended snapping faster than I bet with J flush. Sigh.
Agree with everyone that I should fold to 3b pf
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01-18-2017 , 06:46 PM
don't try to bluff people off strong hands like flushes, try to bluff them off weak hands like pair of fives or high card
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01-18-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
don't try to bluff people off strong hands like flushes, try to bluff them off weak hands like pair of fives or high card
Depends on the level. A naked ace bluff in PLO 100 sometimes works. I find it's 50:50 though and more likely to fail at 50 plo

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01-18-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bentley
Depends on the level. A naked ace bluff in PLO 100 sometimes works. I find it's 50:50 though and more likely to fail at 50 plo

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I do like barreling 2 streets on flopped flushes though and potting the river to take it down. Isn't that effecive at plo50 though as higher stakes I guess. Was quite profitable at first, but now it seems like I'm value towning myself. Time to adjust.
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01-18-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GRUFFALOGO
I do like barreling 2 streets on flopped flushes though and potting the river to take it down. Isn't that effecive at plo50 though as higher stakes I guess. Was quite profitable at first, but now it seems like I'm value towning myself. Time to adjust.
Yeah the thinking now seems to be "he's never betting a flopped flush...I call"

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01-18-2017 , 10:58 PM
I stuggle with this play myself - When i have lone A in raised pot im check called down on 3 streets by inferior ones and when its done against me it hard to call. Any tells on when someone holds single vs made. I wouldf imagine they barrel stronger without it? Do most barrel 3 streets?
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01-19-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by lucaspawpaw16
I stuggle with this play myself - When i have lone A in raised pot im check called down on 3 streets by inferior ones and when its done against me it hard to call. Any tells on when someone holds single vs made. I wouldf imagine they barrel stronger without it? Do most barrel 3 streets?
obviously its villain dependent, but i think we do have to throw in some triple barrel bare A bluffs too. when calling, depends a lot on what flush cards you have and whether you block his flush range.
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01-19-2017 , 03:07 AM
LOL at folding a button open to a bb 3b. I like bluff raising the flop better than floating on this particular board texture. Your bluff/value ratio is going to be all screwed up when you bet a turned diamond after just flatting on the flop. You have a few nut flushes that otherwise missed the flop completely, a some bare Kd hands, a lot of JT variations, and whatever other crap you decided to peel with. Just make it 33 on the flop and if he calls jam the rest if/when a diamond falls.

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01-19-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
LOL at folding a button open to a bb 3b. I like bluff raising the flop better than floating on this particular board texture. Your bluff/value ratio is going to be all screwed up when you bet a turned diamond after just flatting on the flop. You have a few nut flushes that otherwise missed the flop completely, a some bare Kd hands, a lot of JT variations, and whatever other crap you decided to peel with. Just make it 33 on the flop and if he calls jam the rest if/when a diamond falls.
think our hand is very marginal to calling/folding pf. versus most villains i think i am folding but in this case, i elected to call because of villains 3b range is quite wide

bluff raising flop sounds better than floating
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01-19-2017 , 11:37 AM
I am never folding pre. Given we are a little deep, and have position, I would be playing this all day every day. I would only be folding pre to the nittiest of nits. I raise buttons to either steal blinds, or play some poker in position...

Everything post flop is entirely read dependent, which you gave us none of. How would you play the nut flush draw in this spot if you actually had it? What is the BB's range here?...Given that I have no idea how you or villain plays, in a vacuum I like the float better than a raise. Villain smashed the pot button into us, and raising puts us in a lot of dumb spots when he either repots, or just calls and the turn is an awkward brick. I like the float because I think it puts villain in more awkward spots that we can take advantage of on the turn, whereas I think we get put in more awkward spots when we raise.

No matter what, when you decide to go with this hand in some fashion on the flop all lines are going to be high variance.
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01-24-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bentley
Depends on the level. A naked ace bluff in PLO 100 sometimes works. I find it's 50:50 though and more likely to fail at 50 plo

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I think this comment says it all.

First off all,after the standard pre open,this is one of the few hands i can see someone folding vs a 3Bet ,even IP.It flops so bad and vs smaller stakes showdown bound opponents youll often have to make a hand or at least have a decent draw to barrel comfortably without spewing.

As played,floating the flop means you basically base this hand on bluffing diamonds (with some 2 pair/trips backup) which is a great thing if your opponent is capable of folding anything.

Vs a tight range you might be able to make him fold an unimproved set but a 13% 3betting range prolly has tons of middling cards with medium flushes and since they 3bet it pre,they usually going with it post.

The most likely hand in this spot imo is a JT9x with J or Thigh diamonds,in which case this will be totally a player dependent decision.

Id also check FoldvsBet on flop/turn/riv.If he calls too much early only to have a 75% foldvsbet otr then id go with the bluff almost every time.
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01-24-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bentley
Depends on the level. A naked ace bluff in PLO 100 sometimes works. I find it's 50:50 though and more likely to fail at 50 plo

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Are you hoping the naked ace bluff to work 100% of the time?
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01-24-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
Are you hoping the naked ace bluff to work 100% of the time?
hoping, yes. expecting, no
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01-25-2017 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GRUFFALOGO
hoping, yes. expecting, no
I think u need to move down until you understand how poker works
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01-29-2017 , 06:32 PM
I guess its close but I dont mind folding pre I like folding on flop as well.
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