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Is there a reason for folding AAxx in a multiway pot even if SPR=1? Is there a reason for folding AAxx in a multiway pot even if SPR=1?

05-18-2014 , 12:22 PM
This happened to me in a 4 way pot.

Lets say I have AAxx uncoordinated side cards, we go in 4 way postflop after 3 players calls my 3 bet. I have SPR=1 on the flop. It is always preached that no matter what you do just shove whether it is headsup or multiway as it is unexploitable.

However do you ever fold if the flop is something like this?

T98 with two suits?

If one of them have QJxx, your AAxx hand has only 2-3% equity.

This convinces me that yes on almost EVERY FLOP you can shove if SPR=1 even if multiway. But if flop ever appears three cards like this 876 or JQT you are better off folding.

Another flop that is bad is two same cards like this: 8TT
If one of them has the Ten, you are about 10% equity with AAxx

Thoughts?
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05-18-2014 , 12:38 PM
You're def on the right track, and the flop you chose is a trivial c/f

Also a good reason not to 3bet bad AA if a multiway flop is likely
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05-18-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
You're def on the right track, and the flop you chose is a trivial c/f

Also a good reason not to 3bet bad AA if a multiway flop is likely
Definitely this. I would just c/f multiway on that coordinated of a board.
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05-18-2014 , 01:40 PM
I agree with the dynamic flop. Also I agree with not 3 betting bad AA in multiway pot pre when you think you will be called.

But if the flop comes static: 884, 995 your aces are more times good then not. Plus opponents have almost no outs on turns if they call.And they have to be affraid you have one of the paired cards. etc.
Then for sure I jam with SPR 1

exception iif the static board is with two face cards: QQx, KKx, JJx.

Then a mini c bet- fold or check-fold
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05-18-2014 , 07:17 PM
I suck at folding aces in any spot where I can get a low SPR for the flop, but not too rarely I find myself checking my equity with AA82r or some other real bottom tier aces multiway just to see that I had like 12% preflop 4ways lol.
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05-18-2014 , 09:00 PM
Idk, the thing I don't like about spr is it doesn't account for how many people are in the pot and how much we have committed. If we 3bet in this spot and otf our spr is 1, it still just doesn't feel like we have put that much in the pot and are committed.
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05-18-2014 , 11:49 PM
yea if you end up in a 4way SPR=1.2pot with, say, AA88ds and the flop is 9TJdd (and you have no d..iamonds) it's usually obv a check fold. Gets tricker on flops like 799r or 79Tdd...
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05-19-2014 , 03:12 AM
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It is always preached that no matter what you do just shove whether it is headsup or multiway as it is unexploitable.
Anyone preaching this is wrong.

89T is a very easy fold 4 way

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
413,694 trials (Randomized)
board: 89T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AA2311.93% 48,4351,830
20%29.33% 112,87617,091
20%29.36% 112,97417,115
20%29.39% 113,02017,279
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05-19-2014 , 07:46 AM
I don't know whose preaching to shove on that kind of a flop against 3 players but i'd love them in my plo game... Also i think bad aa should really only be 3 bet if you think you can get it heads up or vs. two players in position. Don't get married to that piece of junk. So many people do and it's the biggest leak in plo by far.
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05-19-2014 , 10:48 AM
most people like 9 10 J Q double suited and will go all in with it and beat aces 75% of the time
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