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Old 05-15-2017, 11:02 PM   #1
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Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

I don't like 4 betting deep because it leaves awkward SPR but this could be a leak of mine because in flat calling I let another player in that might of folded to the 4-bet. Am i results orientated or is this a 4-bet preflop? How would you play this?

Microgaming - €0.20 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 271.1 BB (VPIP: 29.51, PFR: 16.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 2,213)
BTN: 252.75 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 32.26, 3Bet Preflop: 24.00, Hands: 31)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 5.83, 3Bet Preflop: 3.28, Hands: 122)
Hero (BB): 284.15 BB
UTG: 264.1 BB (VPIP: 41.89, PFR: 28.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 298)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A A 8

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, Hero calls 11 BB, UTG calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (36.5 BB, 3 players) 3 Q 3
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets 36.5 BB, Hero calls 36.5 BB, UTG raises to 182.5 BB, fold, fold

UTG wins 289 BB
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:52 AM   #2
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

BTN 3bets 24% lol, I think you must 4bet against that guy.
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:07 PM   #3
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

Depends on your read of BB. He flatted a 3-bet from OOP after a 3-bet call from you in SB. Maybe QQxx or KKxx is in his flatting range vs having a 3xxx.

What do you think BB puts you on? Would he peel if he puts you on AAxx just because you flatted from the SB? If he does then would he still peel if you 4bet? Maybe. in live games I've seen players who are deep call a 4-bet OOP 3-ways because they put at least one player on AAxx and want to snap them off or steal.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:45 PM   #4
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

4ball all day. You are oop very bad relative position cant win that much on Ahigh board (unless its some kind of cooler) You are c/folding on lot of flops or you just lost in a lot of spots on the flop or turn in 3way pot. Did i miss anything? So its just not a good spot to trapping w aces here. Anyway its a super good result if Utg folds to a cold4bet and you play hu vs bu in spr ~2
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:22 PM   #5
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

Looks ok, 4b can't be wrong obviously but this deep its ok not to
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:27 PM   #6
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

If I 4 bet then spr around 2.5-3. At the time I figured that's just not enough money in the middle to justify a 4bet vs possibly 2 players. So my reasoning is that I don't want to bloat the pot and then have to fold on a lot of flops.

If I 4bet I have around 50 eur with either 15 or 22 in the pot depending if both call.

I wasn't really trapping but rather just wanted to keep the pot small because I couldn't get enough in pre flop.

I also just hate losing ~300 bb pots tbh, I do not play deep often, I don't play deep tables, so I'm not that comfortable in these situations. It could be a 4 bet all day or not, I'm not sure.
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Old 05-21-2017, 04:44 AM   #7
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

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I wasn't really trapping but rather just wanted to keep the pot small because I couldn't get enough in pre flop.

I also just hate losing ~300 bb pots tbh, I do not play deep often, I don't play deep tables, so I'm not that comfortable in these situations. It could be a 4 bet all day or not, I'm not sure.
Than just sit out and play w 100bb if its uncomfortable for you. Skipping clear +ev decision cause its uncomfortable means you just have to be better overall so just avoid deepstack games until you get better.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:32 AM   #8
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

I think you played it fine by your reasoning. Not bloating pots that you are very likely to give up on or make a big misstake in is never bad. Sure it might not be THE most +EV line but you can always give up some obvious small EV for lessening variance or admitting to your self that you might not even have the skill to realise this +EV situation.

Personally I dont think you need to 4b aces (even as strong as these) when your deep and OOP, especially when you still have an uncapped range of the UTG waiting to act behind. If he wakes up with aces you are in a bad spot.

Aces play bad post flop so we dont want increment that by bad position and though SPR's. In this spot you know 100% you will need to play the flop and maybe turn vs at least 1 villain who's going to put you on exactly the hand you have and as such wont make much of a misstake post flop. We want to villains to make misstakes for big amounts of bb's not the other way around.



But as others said, if you cant take the variance of deep play try to avoid it. Spots like these makes most people feel very uncomforable, me included. Playing deep vs nits or passive players are usually fine but as soon as a LAG gets deep with you its going to reall bump up the variance.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:52 AM   #9
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

Even though our aces aren't quite magnums, I like a 4-bet here, especially against such loose players.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:12 AM   #10
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

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Even though our aces aren't quite magnums, I like a 4-bet here, especially against such loose players.
Are you stacking off on any flop?
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:10 PM   #11
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Re: Super deep 3 way 4bet AAT8ss or not?

Obv not, but you can do it with pretty high frequency.
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