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Old 06-26-2012, 06:57 PM   #91
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Re: The successful bluff thread

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Old 06-26-2012, 08:02 PM   #92
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the most beautiful valuebet bluff ever

1/2
Hero BTN 500
villain SB 420

hero AKQ8, raises 6
SB 3bets 20, hero calls

Flop (42) JT4
villain bets 35, hero calls

turn (112) 6
villain bets 100, hero raises 321, villain raises to 365 and is allin, hero calls.

river 4

villain shows KQ 9 8
hero wins with AK high

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Old 06-26-2012, 08:23 PM   #93
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Looks like he out bluffed the f*ck out of you. Props to villain!
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:09 PM   #94
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these are my thoughts exactly! i am sure he'd call with second nuts (which is the hand he had) if i had left a few chips behind.
care to share why you disagree lifes3ps?
your value range may/should be wider than 64. your value range will be trying to get value from non straight hands, hes never folding a4 anyway, "its HU 3bet pot" as hell have soooo few 46 combos in his range that a4 is probably the top of his range besides KK/AA46 which again are such small % of hands anyway. so youre value range would be focused on getting value from his non straight hands and either bet turn/river smaller, or bet turn larger to set up a comfortable ship something 2/3-3/4pot OTR, larger just looks somewhat forced unless u go pot turn pot river cuz theres so much behind.

so your bluff range should be trying to get him to fold the same hands/rep the same type of range and work (maybe KK folds out, but ehhh he backed into it = less likely to fold it) to fold out low sets/2prs or get value from his pr+combos OTT which will snap fold OTR anyways, which is precisely why we bet the turn larger, to get more value from his combos which snapfold the river anyway when they miss

so i think your ideas right if youre trying to fold out his "other range" but you need to rethink things if youre trying to get a4 to fold

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Old 06-27-2012, 09:23 AM   #95
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your value range may/should be wider than 64. your value range will be trying to get value from non straight hands, hes never folding a4 anyway, "its HU 3bet pot" as hell have soooo few 46 combos in his range that a4 is probably the top of his range besides KK/AA46 which again are such small % of hands anyway. so youre value range would be focused on getting value from his non straight hands and either bet turn/river smaller, or bet turn larger to set up a comfortable ship something 2/3-3/4pot OTR, larger just looks somewhat forced unless u go pot turn pot river cuz theres so much behind.

so your bluff range should be trying to get him to fold the same hands/rep the same type of range and work (maybe KK folds out, but ehhh he backed into it = less likely to fold it) to fold out low sets/2prs or get value from his pr+combos OTT which will snap fold OTR anyways, which is precisely why we bet the turn larger, to get more value from his combos which snapfold the river anyway when they miss

so i think your ideas right if youre trying to fold out his "other range" but you need to rethink things if youre trying to get a4 to fold
i thought about how i worded what i was saying after the fact, and realized i might be misunderstood somewhat. i obviously know i'm trying to get value from more than straight hands when taking this line for value. but i also know he doesn't think i'm capable of this type of bluff, so if i shove he instafolds all but the nuts. if i bet like 60% pot he will most likely call with a couple sets, A4, as he's been suspicious each time i've shown any type of weakness ("Very rarely less than allin looks more credible when you're able to go allin and rep the nuts, imo"). you are overestimating this guys skills! what you are saying is great vs a good reg but vs this guy balancing and so on isn't all that important. if i have nuts next time i know what to bet to get a call. you suggest 3/4 allin on river... you do realize i only bet 81,5% right?
oh, and he instafolded/showed A4.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:43 AM   #96
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    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13351832

    BB: $45.94 (183.8 bb)
    Hero (MP): $98.21 (392.8 bb)
    CO: $28.63 (114.5 bb)
    BTN: $26.01 (104 bb)
    SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 7 7 6
    Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

    Flop: ($2.05) 2 4 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $2.50

    Turn: ($10.05) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $6.02, CO calls $6.02

    River: ($22.09) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $21.10, CO folds

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    Old 06-27-2012, 05:32 PM   #97
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      Cake Poker, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13354772

      MP: $639.87 (160 bb)
      CO: $643.13 (160.8 bb)
      BTN: $394 (98.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): $688.57 (172.1 bb)
      BB: $991.52 (247.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J 4 3 J
      3 folds, Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

      Flop: ($72) 9 8 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $48, BB calls $48

      Turn: ($168) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $112, BB calls $112

      River: ($392) 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $200, BB folds

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      Not so sure about the third barrel, but QJ is definitely a bet, so I have no choice.
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      Old 06-27-2012, 05:43 PM   #98
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        On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13354802

        BB: $53.30 (106.6 bb)
        MP1: $66.56 (133.1 bb)
        MP2: $74.84 (149.7 bb)
        Hero (CO): $53.60 (107.2 bb)
        SB: $122.60 (245.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 A 9 5
        MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds

        Flop: ($5) 9 2 4 (2 players)
        MP2 bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

        Turn: ($12) 4 (2 players)
        MP2 bets $7, Hero calls $7

        River: ($26) 6 (2 players)
        MP2 bets $14, Hero raises to $41.10 and is all-in, MP2 folds

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        Villain never has FH in his range, but then i guess nor do particularly outside of 99, which i'd flat versus this particular villain.
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        Old 06-28-2012, 03:46 AM   #99
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          Cake Poker, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13354772

          MP: $639.87 (160 bb)
          CO: $643.13 (160.8 bb)
          BTN: $394 (98.5 bb)
          Hero (SB): $688.57 (172.1 bb)
          BB: $991.52 (247.9 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with J 4 3 J
          3 folds, Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

          Flop: ($72) 9 8 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets $48, BB calls $48

          Turn: ($168) T (2 players)
          Hero bets $112, BB calls $112

          River: ($392) 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $200, BB folds

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          Not so sure about the third barrel, but QJ is definitely a bet, so I have no choice.
          this hand looks qutie familiar.....perhaps we played together, is yoru 2p2 sn akin to your cake sn?

          just be careful/have some semblance of balance in donking in 3bp
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          Old 06-28-2012, 11:26 AM   #100
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          Re: The successful bluff thread

          I have not too many reads on BTN, he seems loose-aggro preflop and tight-passive postflop. I c/r'ed the river because my nerves broke down and also because of BTN's small sizing that seemed scared to me.

            €0.10/€0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13364812

            SB: €61.66 (308.3 bb)
            Hero (BB): €21.63 (108.2 bb)
            BTN: €35.61 (178 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with T J 5 7
            BTN calls €0.20, SB completes, Hero checks

            Flop: (€0.60) 8 2 3 (3 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets €0.60, BTN calls €0.60, SB folds

            Turn: (€1.80) 7 (2 players)
            Hero bets €1.50, BTN calls €1.50

            River: (€4.80) 6 (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN bets €2, Hero raises to €10.80, BTN folds

            Results: €8.80 pot (€0.52 rake)
            Final Board: 8 2 3 7 6
            Hero mucked T J 5 7 and won €8.28 (€3.98 net)
            BTN mucked and lost (-€4.30 net)



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            Old 06-28-2012, 11:54 AM   #101
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            Re: The successful bluff thread

            IGT Poker Network (Entraction) - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

            UTG: €26.91
            BTN: €10.00
            SB: €16.40
            Hero (BB): €14.48

            SB posts SB €0.05, Hero posts BB €0.10

            Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has 9 Q 4 4

            fold, fold, SB raises to €0.30, Hero calls €0.20

            Flop: (€0.60, 2 players) 2 3 7
            SB checks, Hero checks

            Turn: (€0.60, 2 players) A
            SB bets €0.60, Hero raises to €2.40, SB calls €1.80

            River: (€5.40, 2 players) T
            SB bets €2.70, Hero raises to €11.78 and is all-in, fold

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            Old 06-28-2012, 12:11 PM   #102
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            Re: The successful bluff thread

            That's a brilliant move! You're representing exclusively the nut but you're twice more likely to succeed with the blockers than without them. You also got lucky to win an additional bet because SB lead the river for some reason I can't understand.
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            Old 06-29-2012, 12:00 PM   #103
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            $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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            6 Players
            Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

            Stacks:
            UTG ($30.11) 120bb
            UTG+1 ($18.05) 72bb
            Hero (CO) ($73.58) 294bb
            BTN ($13.05) 52bb
            SB ($26.26) 105bb
            BB ($34.37) 137bb

            Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO K K K K

            2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

            Flop: Q 10 A ($1.95, 2 players)

            SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.20, SB calls $1.70


            Turn: 5 ($6.35, 2 players)
            SB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $5.60, SB calls $4.85


            River: 9 ($17.55, 2 players)
            SB bets $4
            ,
            Hero raises to $28.76
            ,
            SB folds

            Final Pot: $25.55

            Hero wins $49.16 (net +$11.75)

            SB lost $12.65
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            Old 06-29-2012, 12:20 PM   #104
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            hahaha vn
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            Old 06-29-2012, 12:29 PM   #105
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            hahaha vn
            lol, thats what i always think about when i get a hand like that but i end up folding every time...
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