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Old 06-04-2012, 05:11 PM   #31
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Re: The successful bluff thread

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SB is aggro over the top, his 3bet range from blinds vs me seems very wide, he's had some ds trash on showdown before. It's a bit offtop, but his most famous move at NLHE cash was openshoving 25bb w/AKo from the button But I can't say that he never folds - he often respects my postflop raises.

I don't have many outs vs better overpairs, so I can't flat. Neither are my blockers good, they only reduce the top wrap probability. Still I think it's a std spot for flop raising because the board is paired and fits my preflop flatting range well. So is the bluffshove here good? Thanks!

€0.10/0.20 Pot-Limit Omaha Hi, 3 players

SB €97.46
BB €27.41
Hero (BTN) €18.82 JJ37

Hero raises to €0.7, SB reraises to €2.3, BB folds, Hero calls

Flop (€4.8, 2 players, stack €16.52) 887

SB bets €3, Hero raises to €12

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do not compute the sentence: 'bluffing with the best hand'

also, do not compute why raising to fold out worse with sd value/bluffcatcher = good.

unless you ninja quadrupled merged your range then in that case wp sir
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:57 PM   #32
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Re: The successful bluff thread

How I feel after getting snapped otr

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Old 06-05-2012, 03:22 AM   #33
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do not compute the sentence: 'bluffing with the best hand'

also, do not compute why raising to fold out worse with sd value/bluffcatcher = good.

unless you ninja quadrupled merged your range then in that case wp sir
It looks like I've read too much Baluga

Seriously, it's a good spot for merging intuitively imho because QQ-JJ and maybe KK have no SDV when Villain is repping AA-KK, so there are too few hands with medium value and I have to shove them too as flatting would make them too transparent.

Idk whether this applies to this very Villain (esp transparency issues). I can't estimate the probability of him having an overpair here (but I'm pretty sure he 3bets all AA-QQ pre), and idk whether he'll continue bluffing air ott if flatted, more likely not.

I'm not sure whether this usage is correct, but in TV commentators' jargon 'I bluffed with the best hand' means 'my bet was a bluff vs the majority of Villain's range but I suddenly ran into the bottom of his calling range, vs which it was a valuebet'.

My raise is a bluff vs AA-QQ (we have 2 outs vs them) and a valuebet vs str8draws. The situation when a bet has different meanings vs different parts of Villain's range isn't rare in PLO as hand strength is nonlinear here - made hands often play worse vs postflop raises than draws.

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Old 06-06-2012, 09:13 AM   #34
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Re: The successful bluff thread

BTN is the same TAG as BB in my double donk thread, this hand happened few minutes after that.

Probably calling pre is a spew already, but my biggest doubts are about the flop. Ofc c/r>donk on it as it's very cbettable, and I'd obv fold to his 3bet (most likely KK), and my raggy FD doesn't count otf (it may be helpful ott when a whole stack play decision will be due), but I suppose he's prone to fold (a bare king, AA with no FD, maybe even 2p) to a second barrel so I don't find it a big mistake to c/r air sometimes, though I agree I must have chosen a better draw for that.

Ott, I get a bunch of str8 outs so I just b/c, I can't get away any more.

How spewy was my move? With what hands would you bluff c/r on this flop? Thanks in advance!

€0.10/€0.20 Pot-Limit Omaha Hi, 3 players

SB €23.63
Hero (BB) €27.24 A9T6
BTN €83.30

BTN raises to €0.5, SB folds, Hero calls

Flop (€1.1) KQ7

Hero checks, BTN bets €0.9, Hero raises to €3.8, BTN calls

Turn (€8.7) 8

Hero bets €7, BTN folds
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:54 PM   #35
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Re: The successful bluff thread

It's fine imo, very close to the top of the range I would c/r semibluff flop to fold to 3bet rather than too weak to bluff w/. For instance I think I'd rather raise your same hand but w/o nut clubs or a hand like 5689 w/ clubs. Your diamonds are worth something in the hand, but it will get you in tricky spots a lot of times being oop in bloated pot if he peels you, and you'll also often be folding away lots of equity if he 3bets flop w/ a hand that has no diamonds.

Also the TT66 hand is wp except maybe for the preflop limp, but I don't think that exactly qualifies as "successful bluff", it's just standard pick up dead money in tiny pot w/ blockers plus some sd / draw value spot.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:00 PM   #36
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Re: The successful bluff thread

*** bollox titties

    On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13110221

    Hero (BTN): $75.30 (150.6 bb)
    SB: $53.90 (107.8 bb)
    BB: $50 (100 bb)
    MP: $47.50 (95 bb)
    CO: $52.97 (105.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J 3 3
    MP folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

    Flop: ($4) Q 4 7 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

    Turn: ($7) 3 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $3, CO raises to $14, Hero calls $11

    River: ($35) 8 (2 players)
    CO bets $35, Hero folds

    Results: $35 pot ($1.75 rake)
    Final Board: Q 4 7 3 8
    Hero mucked J J 3 3 and lost (-$17 net)
    CO showed 2 K 8 A and won $33.25 ($16.25 net)



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    Old 06-06-2012, 09:33 PM   #37
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    Re: The successful bluff thread

    Co turned balls.
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    Old 06-07-2012, 07:01 AM   #38
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    Wp by CO except pre. I don't like Maffff's flop sizing (I usually make a bit more than halfpot i.e. $2.50 to show that 'I'm serious'), it kinda shouts a steal and gives CO good odds with 8 'bluff outs' (6's and 5's aren't good bluff outs imho because he must have cbet both wraps and gutshots).

    Also, I don't like the call turn - fold blank rivers line because CO will obv shut down on paired rivers. If CO is expected to bluff 34%+ in this spot, call turn&river, otherwise fold turn.

    P.S./Edit: Thx for reminding me of this CO's line btw, I'm gonna take it as a weapon tonight

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    Old 06-07-2012, 08:02 AM   #39
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    Needs more hands of people bluffing w KJ on KJJAA because villain probably doesn't have quads
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    Old 06-15-2012, 05:28 PM   #40
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    Re: The successful bluff thread

    This is a very std blocker bluff or dead money collection vs a LAG (isn't it?), but I've been lacking good material lately so I'm sorry.

    Heads-Up PLO, blinds €0.1/€0.2, eff. stack €13.63

    Hero is BB with JJ45

    BTN raises to €0.4, Hero calls

    Flop (€0.8) KTQ

    2 checks

    Turn 6

    Hero bets €0.6, BTN calls

    River (€2) 6

    Hero bets €1.5, BTN folds
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    Old 06-15-2012, 05:52 PM   #41
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    Re: The successful bluff thread

    The previous bluff was a warm-up before this sicker one. My opp is a tricky 24-y.-o. LAG but otr I still hope that his hand reading skill is not so good cuz I'm repping thin (99/K9/96/94/T87). I want to leave the table due to excess of money in my stack (i.e. bank my winnings) and end my session on a major note...

    €0.25/0.5 PLO, 4 players

    SB €63.6, Hero is BB with 5523 and covers

    2 folds, SB raises to €1.5, Hero calls

    Flop (€3, 2 players) K64

    2 checks

    Turn 9

    SB bets €2, Hero raises to €7.5, SB calls

    River (€18) 8

    SB checks, Hero bets €10, SB folds
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    Old 06-21-2012, 06:14 AM   #42
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    Re: The successful bluff thread

    Villain is a tricky LAG who almost never donkbets flops but I've once seen him donkbet a pairing turn with absolute air (A995as on KT6Kr) after the flop was checked. He has already grasped some understanding of my LAGgy style even though it's our first session so I think he can be trying to pick dead money ott with a pair/draw/air.

    €0.25/0.5 HUPLO, eff. stack €36.50 (73bb)

    Hero is BTN/SB with
    6432

    Hero raises to €1.5, Villain calls

    Flop (€3) Q97

    Villain checks, Hero checks

    Turn 7

    Villain bets €3, Hero raises to €10, Villain folds
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    Old 06-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #43
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    First one of the three above - solid.
    Second one - Fine again, laggy villains generally don't not c-bet if they've half hit, so his draw he picked up on the turn has almost certainly missed the river. If he'd been loose passive fishy this wouldn't have worked.
    Third one - Board pairing turns great to flip off like this.

    I'd have turn sized a little lower on second and third - but prob just me.
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    Old 06-21-2012, 02:42 PM   #44
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    Re: The successful bluff thread

    Second: flop checkback with wrap???
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    Old 06-21-2012, 03:07 PM   #45
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    Second: flop checkback with wrap???
    thats bad?
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