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12-12-2016 , 04:40 AM

Mindead

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $24.47 (97.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.43 (109.7 bb)
MP: $25.63 (102.5 bb)
CO: $20.16 (80.6 bb)
BTN: $8.07 (32.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) J

(3 players)
SB bets $0.46, Hero calls $0.46, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.67) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB calls $1.60

River: ($4.87) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $18.16, Hero ?

SB is 18/3/15%cold call / 24% agg / 0% raise to cbet / 82% fold to seal / 373 hands

Passive stats, make little sense for me his play. But he seems so damn passive at the same time...

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12-12-2016 , 05:21 AM

bari83

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how is his line strange? he didnt want to get freerolled on turn vs a ~potsize bet.
i dont like your riverbet sizeing

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12-12-2016 , 06:11 AM

Kozat

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1: Do you think a passive player check raise bluffs you on the river?

2: So he would check raise Aqxx, or is this a 97xx, Q9xx or maybe a rivere 22xx?

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12-12-2016 , 07:47 AM

monikrazy

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With 2 flush draws out there villain is certainly not cring a bare aq, he won't have any idea where he stands on more than half the rivers

As played fold would be normal

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12-12-2016 , 08:28 AM

Loctus

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On one hand I'm like "well if I'm not calling here I'm never calling here without AQ so I call"

On the other hand, and the more sensible approach, is that you're basically repping the nuts, and you're repping it well, and he's having none of it. So he probably has the nuts.

I mean you just have AQ here SO often (like, a big majority of the time) that I don't think you have to call with Q9. Your only value hands on the river here is just Q9 and AQ and you don't have to call that huge river CR with the bottom of your value range (which is what you have)

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12-12-2016 , 08:33 AM

Kittens

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If you can't let go of the second nuts when you rep the nuts and a passive player check-pots you ... stop value-betting the second nuts so hard.

You turned an easy situation into a difficult one for yourself on the river with that bet.

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12-12-2016 , 09:22 AM

nightowl89j

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Villian is passive, hit the nuts on the turn, let you take the lead, avoided the paired board and check raised as he knew you bet Q9 again him.

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12-12-2016 , 10:30 AM

OmahaFanatical4

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i'd recommend a fold here; I like the river bet.

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12-12-2016 , 12:51 PM

Mindead

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Originally Posted by Kittens

So you check behind the 2nd straight on the river? no way lol

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12-12-2016 , 01:24 PM

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wabomushroom

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Originally Posted by Mindead

So you check behind the 2nd straight on the river? no way lol

That's not the right way to look at things. The question you need to ask yourself is, am I good more than 50% of times when I get called OTR?

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12-12-2016 , 02:11 PM

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Mindead

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Originally Posted by wabomushroom

That's not the right way to look at things. The question you need to ask yourself is, am I good more than 50% of times when I get called OTR?

Yes, I expect to be called more than 50% of times with worse.

An argument about betting smaller to make sure it happens seems reasonable, but not betting at all is a bad play imo.

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12-12-2016 , 07:51 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by bari83

how is his line strange? he didnt want to get freerolled on turn vs a ~potsize bet.
i dont like your riverbet sizeing

This.

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So you check behind the 2nd straight on the river? no way lol

Way to take it out of context. If that's what you got out of what he said, then you have a lot to learn. If you're a beginner and don't have the discipline to fold, you should check. tbh, a nonbeginner shouldn't even make a thread like this. It's an easy b/f.

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On one hand I'm like "well if I'm not calling here I'm never calling here without AQ so I call"

This is such a NLHE concept imo. There are many more ways to have the nuts in PLO and many more hands should be folded in PLO. Just like they say in NLHE, you should "exploitatively fold" here because he only has the nuts or at least has them often enough to make a call very unprofitable.

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12-12-2016 , 08:36 PM

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Mindead

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Originally Posted by .isolated

This.

Way to take it out of context. If that's what you got out of what he said, then you have a lot to learn. If you're a beginner and don't have the discipline to fold, you should check. tbh, a nonbeginner shouldn't even make a thread like this. It's an easy b/f.

This is such a NLHE concept imo. There are many more ways to have the nuts in PLO and many more hands should be folded in PLO. Just like they say in NLHE, you should "exploitatively fold" here because he only has the nuts or at least has them often enough to make a call very unprofitable.

I don't know why everyone assume I called lol

I don't know if I am a beginner or a nonbeginner, I just post hands I have doubts about

And I am appreciate every single answer

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12-12-2016 , 08:47 PM

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.isolated

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I'm not assuming you called. I'm assuming you folded and are just posting in spite of knowing it's the right play because you were frustrated you had to fold and wanted to double check that's the right play likely because of a bad session or sessions.

tl;dr I was talking hypothetically, not about you.

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12-12-2016 , 09:02 PM

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OmahaFanatical4

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Originally Posted by wabomushroom

That's not the right way to look at things. The question you need to ask yourself is, am I good more than 50% of times when I get called OTR?

you are going to be good 100% of the time you are called on the river with this hand. although I guess you could chop.

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12-12-2016 , 09:10 PM

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Mindead

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

you are going to be good 100% of the time you are called on the river with this hand. although I guess you could chop.

Right lol

And anyway it would not be a justification for betting.

We should look at the frequency villain has the nuts, because we lose our bet everytime it happens.

And see if the times he call us outweight that chances.

If he has the nuts 30% of the times, he should call us with > 30% of his range

P.D: Even more than 30% of the times, for the chance of chopping

Last edited by Mindead; 12-12-2016 at 09:21 PM.

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