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Str8+Flush draw against shove Str8+Flush draw against shove

03-20-2015 , 05:07 AM
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD PL Omaha - Friday, March 20, 05:00:11 ET 2015
Table Lynx 2 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $6.24 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 37
Seat 2: Player2 ( $2.67 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 14
Seat 3: Player3 ( $3.40 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 19
Seat 4: Player4 ( $6.39 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 7
Seat 5: Player5 ( $6.96 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 38
Seat 6: Hero ( $12.06 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 3,1, Hands: 44548
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Q T T J ]
Player4 calls [$0.05 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 calls [$0.13 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ K, 3, 2 ]
Player2 checks
Player4 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9 ]
Player2 checks
Player4 bets [$0.35 USD]
Hero calls [$0.35 USD]
Player2 raises [$1.88 USD]
Player4 raises [$5.89 USD]
Hero ??

So the question is, do we get enough equity to call in this situation? thanks guys
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03-20-2015 , 05:15 AM
trivial fold
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03-20-2015 , 05:55 AM
K hi flush draw probs there with whatever is value shoving. Easy muck
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03-20-2015 , 06:53 AM
Seat 4: Player4- VPIP: 29, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0,

snap fold
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03-20-2015 , 07:21 AM
Easy fold. Small but mighty adjustment.. I much prefer to raise full pot pre with an open limper oop.
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03-20-2015 , 11:24 AM
fold
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03-20-2015 , 04:11 PM
simple fold...

why check back flop??
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03-21-2015 , 08:51 AM
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why check back flop??
look at what happened ont he turn, you think a flop check back would have been successful. Results orientated somewhat but with this hand its pretty likely going to be a bad bet on the flop.
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03-21-2015 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
look at what happened ont he turn, you think a flop check back would have been successful. Results orientated somewhat but with this hand its pretty likely going to be a bad bet on the flop.
playing styles aside if he is even thinking of continuing OTT how can he check back flop?


you can fold better TT-QQ and get calls from worse with a bet on the flop.. can you explain why you think it is a bad bet?
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03-21-2015 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by StackJackin
playing styles aside if he is even thinking of continuing OTT how can he check back flop?
We can call a bet on pretty much any turn, what do you mean 'if he's even thinking of continuing"

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Originally Posted by StackJackin
you can fold better TT-QQ and get calls from worse with a bet on the flop.. can you explain why you think it is a bad bet?
We cant call a check/raise, but should have very good equity in the hand. We also dont want to isolate the part of their ranges that does well against our hand.
Overall, this is like The perfect hand for checking back flop, not even sure whats there to argue about.
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03-21-2015 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
We can call a bet on pretty much any turn, what do you mean 'if he's even thinking of continuing"
'if he's even thinking of continuing' means if we are seriously contemplating cold calling off our stack OTT.. why are we not cBetting flop? Does that make sense?


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Originally Posted by apo5tol
We cant call a check/raise, but should have very good equity in the hand. We also dont want to isolate the part of their ranges that does well against our hand.
Overall, this is like The perfect hand for checking back flop, not even sure whats there to argue about.


and I don't think you understand the concept if you are worried about getting called by better or folding to a check raise ... if we check back flop and blank turn goes check check or if we are not led into on the turn then should we check turn too?

we rarely have 'very good equity' OTF
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03-21-2015 , 02:03 PM
who's contemplating cold calling off our stack OTT? im certainly not...

which concept dont I understand?

the situation we are in on the turn is a lot different from the situation on the flop, for several reasons. hopefully you can think of them yourself.
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03-21-2015 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
who's contemplating cold calling off our stack OTT? im certainly not...
OP is contemplating it... the point of the post right?

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Originally Posted by xmadsax
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9 ]
Player2 checks
Player4 bets [$0.35 USD]
Hero calls [$0.35 USD]
Player2 raises [$1.88 USD]
Player4 raises [$5.89 USD]
Hero ??

So the question is, do we get enough equity to call in this situation? thanks guys


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Originally Posted by apo5tol
the situation we are in on the turn is a lot different from the situation on the flop, for several reasons. hopefully you can think of them yourself.
I am lost as to what you are talking about now... are you still comparing cbetting the flop to calling shove on turn??
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