*** SSPLO HU thread ~ strat talk, HH reviews, chat + match-up requests ***

[coon74]

Originally Posted by napsus

sources for HU vids? all i know is that Galfond has a few vids on BFP

Originally Posted by yrmom

Yeah, the only ones I've seen is galfond on BFP, but I'm not a training site whiz.

Strangely enough, the search function has given nothing about Mutardet. Is his HUPLO series for Pokerstrategy a good alternative, do you approve of his advice if you've seen it (e.g. the 50BI BR and 2BI stoploss that both seem too small, iirc SFD/top2+ as the default borderline for flop raising which seems a bit solid)? I've watched 2 parts out of 3 (theory), his advice seems sound, hope to learn smth from part 3 (session record).

[coon74]

Doh, part 3 disappointed me a bit because Mutardet shows himself making several mistakes at HUPLO50 vs a weak opp (e.g. a river halfpot hero call with 2pair after the turn paired and flushed the board, the fact that it was all checked before the river changes little). On the one hand, it's cool that he isn't reluctant to confess his mistakes, but on the other hand they compromise his coaching image. What I didn't like most is that he relies too much on stats that haven't converged as the opp is unknown.

[yrmom]

Originally Posted by IAMCHEATING

Bump

Looking to play 3-4 tables vs someone over the next few days.

site: ipoker
stakes: 50plo
hands: 1000

Will likely be between Saturday-Tuesday I am free, so PM me if anyone wants to fit a game in.

You gotta give me a chance at getting my money back

[IAMCHEATING]

Originally Posted by yrmom

You gotta give me a chance at getting my money back

Of course. Any night this week, tho I'll be late back 2nite. Will hit u up on skype and get something sorted asap.

[LostEmail]

Hey guys i'm looking for active plohu group. Pm me if I can join

[coon74]

The thread accepts quick HH reviews according to the OP so I'll be the 1st to post HHs here.

These are two peeling spots from the same short session vs the same multitabling and possibly tilted Villain who, despite folding pre quite often, also very often 3bet me pre from BB and potcbet ~100% as the 3bettor.

At first, semibluffraising flops was working well, but between the two hands in question Villain rebought for full 250bb and began 3betting flops like mad, so I turned down my flop raise frequency and eventually grew the balls to peel him otf with no clear outs, just with a bunch of backdoors, with the intention to reeval ott when he would very often fire the 2nd potsize barrel.

Was I correct not 4betting these hands pre (I preferred to 4bet only AA and rundowns IP and it worked perfectly as he flatted pre and folded to cbets; as for opensizing, I tried 2x and 2.5x but he loosened up) and flatting the 1st flop, and also was my 1st turn ship legit iyo? (The 2nd hand was a confirmed spew postflop because my HvR equity distribution was not so good and I had only 33% even vs a random hand on this turn. Or did I have fold equity?) Thanks in advance!

€0.10/€0.20 Pot-Limit Omaha Hi, 2 players

Hand 1: Eff. stack €18.50 (92.5bb), Hero is SB/BTN with AJJ7

Hero raises to €0.60, Villain reraises to €1.80, Hero calls

Flop (€3.60) 952

Villain bets €3.60, Hero calls

Turn (€10.80) A

Villain bets €10.80, Hero raises to €13.10 all-in
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Hand 2: Eff. stack €24.44 (122.2bb), Hero is SB/BTN with KJT7

Hero raises to €0.60, Villain reraises to €1.80, Hero calls

Flop (€3.60) Q54

Villain bets €3.60, Hero calls

Turn (€10.80) 9

Villain bets €10.80, Hero raises to €19.04 all-in

P.S. Freeze me until yrmom's epic 2K digest on HUPLO theory comes out!

[coon74]

Upon rethinking on Hand 2 ^^^, I've found that flatting the turn was +EV to folding because of the ~1-to-3 implied odds (I always forget about them with SPR~2). I shoved turn on autopilot and partly because of my tight turn shove image after Hand 1, i.e. I tried to rep Q9/99/QJT in Hand 2. (Fwiw Villain showed QQ, which didn't change the number of my outs, and I hope he will remember this bad beat... Tilting lines are +EV in terms of meta**** even being -EV in a certain hand.)

Now I'm posting Hand 3, which was played vs another Villain2 who seems loose-passive postflop fwiw, as for preflop I'd say he can adjust to my overaggression by 3betting but this was at the beginning of the session and thus I shoulda given him more credit for AA and flatted pre. But as soon as I 4bet, should I call his 5bet given that we're 225bb deep? What do you think of my 4bet and what 4bet range do you suggest in general? Thanks!

Hand 3: €0.05/0.10 Pot-Limit Omaha Hi, 2 players

Eff. stack €22.50 (225bb), Hero is SB/BTN with QQJ8

Hero raises to €0.30, Villain2 3bets to €0.90, Hero 4bets to €2.70, Villain2 5bets to €8.10, Hero? (flop SPR=0.8)

Now I'll answer my own question, just check my sanity. The pure PF equity vs AA is ~33.5%:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
QcQdJd8h	33.56%	200,928	854
AA	66.44%	398,218	854

The hand-vs-range graph looks sexy:



It shows that ~1/3 of flops will be shovable (I need 31% equity), if I call his flop shove I'll have average equity ~(33.5%-(15%*67%))/33%~70% (the part of the graph below 31% is pretty linear so I assume I have ~15% avg flop equity when I fold). Thus the EV of flatting is -€5.4*67%+(€45*70%-€19.8)*33%~€0.3 - I should flat the 5bet but it's almost breakeven.

[yrmom]

1st hand I think you can 4bet AJJxds pre, but I would be uncomfortable doing so unless I have a grasp on his 5bet range. I'm tending towards shipping flop if he's 3betting too much, though your line is OK.

2nd hand I'd rather flat KJT7ds pre. 4betting is +EV, but flatting more so (I 4bet those on tilt usually, not the end of the world). Fold flop, don't get fancy against idiot spewtards that will donate money to your strong hands.

3rd hand don't 4bet, you're not pushing an equity edge on much of anything really. Plus, as you showed with the math, getting 5bet sucks. Take a flop, use position 200bb deep, crush him.

PS. deep (>175bb), clickback 4betting becomes a decent option preflop. Consider it.

[coon74]

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Originally Posted by yrmom

PS. deep (>175bb), clickback 4betting becomes a decent option preflop. Consider it.

That's deep bro, real deep, requires an article on its own.

[Paulo Joha]

Is there a thread on startinghands for HU plo? and/ or other basics for HU PLO?

I am a winning player in 9max/6 max tourneys, but every time I final table HU is just random.
And i play most like i am still with more players.

I tried HU sit n gos but had many losses.
I read basicbooks from Hwang and Slotboom, but there was no HU play in it.

[urubu111]

coon74, history at HU is very important.

AJJ7ds hand: given your reads i think both 4bet and flat pre are good plays. i probably 4bet pot pre. flop i shove, but not happy about it... we have poor equity when we get called, but since he is cbetting 100%, and theres almost 40bbs in the pot, and he has only 70bbs left, i shove.

KJT7ds hand can be played many ways pre... calling is fine, 4betting is fine. if you choose 4bet, you can min 4bet, 4bet pot or make it ~3.60-4.00. depends on what he saw you doing and how you think he will react.

flop its a fold. you have lots of redraws + position, but vs this spewtards , take yrmom advice: don't get fancy, play for value.

[coon74]

@Paulo - fishy viewpoint: I think it's too opp-dependent to be written as a book/sticky. The default starting hand chart for SB/BTN is simply 100% open ldo. Position is obv vital but c/f'ing a lot OOP is too dull imho, there should be bluff c/r and lead ranges.

It's so good that you pay attention to HUs of 6SnGs because that's where most 6SnG regs lose most of their ROI.

Now I hope urubu will talk it professionally.

[Paulo Joha]

@ coon74:

you call it a fishy view point but I am sure that it is not.

You dont know what the startinghands are. Thats ok.
But if there are starting hands in 9max/ 6 max there will also be in 2 max.
And offcourse rest of play is opponent depended.

Thnx for the compliment about wanting to improve my heads up game.
Every part of the game is important in a MTT imo. This weekend I got twice a FT deal but I might have lost a lot of value HU otherwise.

[coon74]

You boast having read Slotboom, at the end of his 6-max book HUPLO stats of various highrollers are given and you can see that they're totally different. There's no absolutely best playing style, it's even more true in HU.

I don't have a ready answer about BB PF ranges now, I just follow my common sense as there's too little strategical literature.

If you want to have a 70%ish VPIP from the BB, Quadrophobia's post 'Mastering a maniac' (part 1) gives a good idea of a 70% range. I believe the 3bet range {[7-A][7-A][7-A][7-A]$ds,[A-8][A-8][A-8][A-8]$ss$np: (A,K),([9-A]JJ,[T-A]QQ)$ds,$R$R$R$nt!(AA,KK): (A,K)} he lists below (~11%; when I copypasted it from his site, I changed '$sss' to '$ss' (misprint) and removed those horrible 'xx' to be ProPokerTools-compatible) is also good for 3betting vs a 100% BTN opener and it should be made even wider but obv don't get mad OOP as most of my opps

[Paulo Joha]

@coon74:

for mtts I have developed a system for startinghands. This works really well.
I like to have the same for HU.

You mention there is too little strategical literature. I dont know.

But anyway; smart and active people like you are great. I think we can write our own literature