Wait, so is the 33% pf thing only good against hu then?

A play is unexploitable if your hand is known to the villain and he is not able to respond to your play in a profitable manner.

Villain is going to be forced to call your shove when not given the correct pot odds given his equity (-EV call for him a high % of the time), or he folds often enough to make up for the times you are called by a better hand (+EV call for him a low % of the time)

Think of it this way, you and villain have $10 left and there is $10 in the pot from preflop betting, but instead of cards you are both randomly assigned numbers 1 - 10 and the highest number always wins at showdown. You get a 9 and are first to act, an unexploitable play would be to wager your last $10 as you are either going to be called by worse numbers (1-8) and you win a $30 pot, or he folds and you win a $10 pot on those same numbers. It is impossible for villain to have the one number that beats you, the 10, often enough where you lose a $30 pot if you bet every time.

In poker hands are unknown so vs some opponents, shoving with a 1 could be correct if they are folding enough numbers that beat you enough of the time, and vs some opponents never betting a 9 would be the most +EV play if they only call with a T and check back everything worse.

So for once I get to plkay vs a 95/45/25 and don't lose stack after stack.

5 hands, 3 stacks same Villan.
Prima Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BB: $10.35
UTG: $59.61
CO: $59.52
BTN: $53.70
Hero (SB): $54.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K 5 Q A
UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.50, BB raises to $9.85, UTG calls $8.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.35

Flop: ($31.30) 4 K 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $31.30, Hero raises to $44.40, UTG calls $13.10

Turn: ($120.10) 6 (3 players)

River: ($120.10) T (3 players)

Final Pot: $120.10
BB mucks J 9 3 J
UTG mucks 3 K 5 5
Hero shows K 5 Q A
Hero wins $87.36
Hero wins $29.74
(Rake: $3.00)


Prima Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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SB: $48.15
BB: $59.27
CO: $49.45
Hero (BTN): $121.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K K 2 3
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.00) 6 T 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB calls $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($9.00) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $7.00, SB calls $7, BB calls $7

River: ($30.00) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $30.00, BB folds, Hero calls $30

Final Pot: $90.00
SB shows 4 J A 9
Hero shows K K 2 3
Hero wins $87.00
(Rake: $3.00)


Prima Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BTN: $46.00
SB: $0.25
BB: $106.33
UTG: $35.75
Hero (CO): $160.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 9 6 7 T
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, SB raises to $7.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $7.25, Hero calls $5.50

Flop: ($23.75) J 8 2 (3 players)
SB bets $23.75, UTG folds, Hero raises to $95, SB calls $-31.25 all in

Turn: ($40.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($40.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $40.00
SB shows 8 J J Q
Hero shows 9 6 7 T
Hero wins $34.00
Hero wins $52.75
(Rake: $-46.75)


Moves to 50/1, 2 stacks in 3 hands
Prima Network $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $222.46
CO: $67.43
Hero (BTN): $119.11
SB: $49.08
BB: $109.06
UTG: $13.61

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with T 3 A A
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $4.50, CO calls $4.50, Hero raises to $20.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $12.61 all in, MP calls $16, CO raises to $67.43, Hero raises to $114.36, MP calls $93.86

Flop: ($311.26) 5 A 5 (4 players - 1 is all in)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($311.26) 2 (4 players - 1 is all in)
MP bets $108.10, Hero calls $4.75 all in

River: ($320.76) 8 (4 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $320.76
MP shows J J T Q
CO mucks T 9 7 2
Hero shows T 3 A A
UTG mucks 8 Q 7 7
Hero wins $103.36
Hero wins $161.25
Hero wins $53.15
(Rake: $3.00)


Prima Network $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BB: $104.35
Hero (UTG): $307.26
CO: $61.81
BTN: $103.56
SB: $49.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q 9 A A
Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, BB raises to $17.50, Hero raises to $59.50, 1 fold, SB calls $46 all in, BB calls $42

Flop: ($172.00) 3 T 6 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB checks, Hero bets $171.50, BB calls $44.85 all in

Turn: ($261.70) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($261.70) 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $261.70
BB shows 8 K 6 A
Hero shows Q 9 A A
SB mucks T K 9 Q
Hero wins $108.70
Hero wins $1.00
Hero wins $147.50
(Rake: $4.50)

Learning the 20-50bb game has been fun

^
You are complaining about running above EV...

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $92.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 8 5 A 9
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) K 7 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN/SB raises to $25, Hero raises to $84, BTN/SB calls $20.75 all in

Turn: ($100.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($100.50) A (2 players - 1 is all in)
Dealer: NiceTryKid shows a pair of Sevens
Dealer: mishstar wins the pot ($100) with two pair, Aces and Eights
him: ur so **** idioit
him: **** fish
him: just a lucker idiot
me: sorry
him: pls die
me: v lucky oday
him: only fd? call ALLIN?<----- lol
him: WTF?DONK

fwiw he had J1034 with an fd

wish he hadn't run

I think it's kinda obvious most of us play also other games than just plo and feel the need to vent every once in a while. I mean, what's the point posting a hand history to a forum you don't really ever read?

I've committed the morbid crime of posting a nlhe hand in LC thread and I deeply regret it now, but I personally don't mind seeing some hilarious HH's from other games. Just my 2 cents.

Nice ava, milkywaykid

arg just had a nice winning session again, but I always had a losing session after a winning one so far at PLO5 so now I'm scared to lose 5 BIs when I will play. Thing is, I really feel like playing now >.<
Guess they really mean it when they say PLO is like a drug. Really wanna play and really don't wanna play at the same time lol
what to do BBV, play with stoploss?

Villain was a drooling Scandi. I'm a one, too.

SB: t31261 78.15 BBs
BB: t14700 36.75 BBs
UTG: t8880 22.20 BBs
UTG+1: t930 2.33 BBs
UTG+2: t7930 19.82 BBs
Hero (MP1): t64615 161.54 BBs
MP2: t28002 70.00 BBs
CO: t7090 17.73 BBs
BTN: t2320 5.80 BBs

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is MP1 with 3 A A 7
3 folds, Hero raises to t1200, 3 folds, SB raises to t3200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t10000, SB calls t6800

Flop: (t20400) 9 K J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t20400, SB calls t20400

Turn: (t61200) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1200, SB calls t861 all in

River: (t62922) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

1

What does he think ? That he has fold equity against me ? IDIOTS WITH LUCK >>> EVERYTHING ELSE

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 6 players
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Hero (MP): t3250 162.50 BBs
CO: t2980 149 BBs
BTN: t2790 139.50 BBs
SB: t2890 144.50 BBs
BB: t2880 144 BBs
UTG: t3210 160.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP with Q J A 8
1 fold, Hero raises to t70, 1 fold, BTN raises to t240, 2 folds, Hero calls t170

Flop: (t510) 6 5 T (2 players)
Hero bets t510, BTN calls t510

Turn: (t1530) A (2 players)
Hero bets t1530, BTN raises to t2040 all in, Hero calls t510

River: (t5610) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t5610
Hero shows Q J A 8 (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
BTN shows K 5 Q K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
BTN wins t5610

im not sure learning is the word i would use. what i would say is the rake is unbeatable lower than 2-4 and it is hilarious how popular those games are. i guess fish would just rather give their money to stars to make sure no good player gets it.

look at how much rake you have paid over those 6kish hands. looks like you lost at a 15bb/100, i would bet the rake is higher than that. the rake is a 8bb/100 winrate at 1-2. now give yourself 20bb to beat it? LOL.


edit: just did the math on this years rake rates in my HEM:

1/2=8.41
2/4=5.37
3/6=4.17
5/10=2.57bb

someone find rates at .5/1 and lower? and then argue how awesome short tables are for the game.

I really like the way you react (Not being sarcastic)

Lets get a plo 1.6 pug going. Scrims/matches were the ****

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $674.70
UTG: $103.25
MP: $623.75
CO: $78.80
BTN: $131.85
SB: $287.55

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A 8 9 A
UTG raises to $3.50, MP raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero calls $11, UTG raises to $48.50, MP calls $36.50, Hero raises to $194.50, UTG calls $54.75 all in, MP calls $146

Flop: ($492.75) 2 6 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $480.20 all in, MP calls $429.25 all in

Turn: ($1351.25) T (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($1351.25) 8 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $1351.25
Hero shows A 8 9 A (a pair of Aces)
UTG shows 4 A 2 A (a pair of Aces)
MP shows 7 3 3 4 (three of a kind, Threes)
MP wins $1041.00
MP wins $307.25
(Rake: $3.00)

God I love sessions where I get completely owned by 90/5 fish who hit literally every backdoor or 4 outer possible.

sounds pretty damn good for vpps!!

yes, with all those levels the higher the stakes the more the VPPs though.

Vwp sir. I have used this 2 times today, and will continue to say this when a losing player berates me! Ty sir!

ouch

How the f*** can you run 15bi below EV in 1k hands?!?! I hate PLO.

Don't like outing people, and ive never done it before(and dont intend to do it in the future), but Poorsport44 aka Fraction Math has one of the worst poker etiquette ive ever seen.

He played me when i was drunk(lolz) and i lost a bit to him and i left saying "play you later when im less drunk"
He showed up today, was up $30ish v me, and then sat out saying "i cant play you when your playing crazy" (my normal style lol)

I cba posting what he sed, but i copied it somewhere so i may post it here later, cos it is genuinly lmao what he ses.

Jst wanted to vent. Sigh. (and before you say its only $30, its the principle imo)

I apologize, maybe i'm a bad player but i forgot how you play. I sat at .25/.50 with you and i have no bankroll at the moment. I won some and decided that if you keep playing so crazy it's not worth it to play you because you'll just stack me eventually.

I really am not trying to build a bad rep but I'm not going to go busto just to have you not "OUT" me in a frickin poker forum. I'm not generally a hitnrunner and you don't generally out people... I figure that at higher stakes it matters more.

Regardless, I sincerely apologize if I quit you too soon Bernabus. You always used to sit out on me and never play me, finally you play me and i find out how you play..... decide we're not the right match.

I also don't htink it's right that you just can go post in a forum slandering my name when I didn't really hitnrun, I was just up a bit and figured out how you play and that it's not what I'm trying to play. It's not like I won 5 buy-ins and then quit instantly. Like give me a break.

If this is how the 2+2 community functions, one member who posts regularly in this thread can just out me for something so tiny and now I have a bad name in the community, I want no part of this. Just ridiculous.

Please, let me know how bad of a poker player/person I am community, thanks.

Ok, i'm sorry I overreacted, but is it so wrong to be able to sit at a small stakes PLO game to feel out your opponent and quit soon thereafter without being slandered on a poker forum?