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10-08-2023 , 04:12 PM
Having played many different formats, i would say many fundamental principles of poker transfer from one game to other.
If you are already a specialist at one game, its a lot easier to get better at new game vs someone who never played before.

And its okay to not know something, i havent played NL cash in 10 years and probably would not beat NL25 with decent wr and thats okay.
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11-10-2023 , 06:38 PM
Interesting preflop spot:
UTG Raise
Hero 6644ss cold calls
CO (50bb) 3B
Button (90bb) 4B
SB (80bb) 5B all in
BB fold
UTG folds

Hero... time banks and folds, but I think it's probably a call.

AAJ4ss
AKK6ds
J987ds

I would have hit a 4 and lost to J987
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11-10-2023 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkD
Interesting preflop spot:
UTG Raise
Hero 6644ss cold calls
CO (50bb) 3B
Button (90bb) 4B
SB (80bb) 5B all in
BB fold
UTG folds

Hero... time banks and folds, but I think it's probably a call.

AAJ4ss
AKK6ds
J987ds

I would have hit a 4 and lost to J987
If the 50bb player is a 50bb skilled pro, then I might fold. However, if every player started the hand with 100bb, then I definitely call. I do need my two pocket pair to be close enough to make a straight and at least single suited so that I have sets, a flush and straight escape valves. Also, in general I play these types of hands because I don't tilt and other players do. I've seen hands like this start the dominoes falling where one of the losing players starts tilting and it becomes an action table for the next 30 minutes or longer. Furthermore, the opportunity to quadruple up and spend the rest of your session against players who usually don't play well deep is a gift that keeps giving.
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11-12-2023 , 09:53 AM
I've made 'those' calls before .. not sure why or why not, but if it feels right and for the reasons above I can see my chips in the middle especially if I see the opponents sharing ranges or at least in the other 2/3 of the deck, which frees the stub up for 'my' 1/3 of the deck. GL
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12-24-2023 , 05:27 PM


All in pre, but we likely would've gotten it in on the flop. 2/2 live for a 3k pot against a maniac. Variance kicked my ass this weekend. +$16,000 last weekend, -$10,000 this weekend. Drunk holiday players just kept getting there. Feel like I didn't win a single 60/40 or better. Losing with top set + flush blocker all in and they hit a flush both runouts, etc. A lot of huge pots (5k or so) where I was a favorite and just couldn't get there or hold up. Starting to really feel the variance. Plus some that I called lighter than usual since they were playing wild (like one they went all in for $800 with just an open ender on the turn and missing so 2nd pair missed fd won) and other hands.

Still up +$24,000 in the past 5 weeks but this weekend really hurt. Might take a break this week.
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12-26-2023 , 01:18 PM
why take a break if you're getting it in that good?
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12-26-2023 , 03:11 PM
Haven't lost that much in such a short amount of time before. It was definitely a wake up call with how things can go and I felt it may affect the way I play. Didn't want to play while feeling tilted (not frustrated tilt, more like results oriented and remembering what just happened so playing suboptimal). It's been a few days and I feel like I'd be okay to play now though.
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12-31-2023 , 11:20 PM
Last five session all-in bustout hands (some 4-card, some 5-card):

1. Trip aces with nut flush draw and gutter to nut straight.
2. Second set with straight flush draw.
3. Two flush draws, ace high and king high + total wrap.
4. Nut full against baby full, lose to 1-outer
5. Two sets + straight flush draw.

This after 700 sessions of such death run outs just stuck on zeroing out. Thousands and thousands of outs reduced to a vanishing phantom. One big win in the 700 sessions. Normally would be at least 100. No rushes in the 700. Only about 100K hands. Limon says you are being cheated after 10K hands such streak, but that's because he is full of crap.
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01-01-2024 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
It's a long story but the time has come to admit that I am behind the times. I was thinking about never posting anymore on poker forums again and just quitting. But the curiousity that kills cats makes me choose to embarrass myself in omaha rather than just leave, I have to start over here, which could be kind of fun. I know how to improve but it's going to take quite awhile. I plan on 50k hands of 10plo, 25plo, 50 plo each and starting at the bottom. But mostly, I am choosing to start from the beginning out of intellectual curiousity rather than the vanity of just leaving as a boom poker player.

Honestly I'm a self conscious and anxious guy who hesitates to post on forums not wanting to look bad but man no one cares. Sometimes it's good to see how far off your thinking is or to get new perspectives. Sharing and learning from failure is how you get better.

Plus a lot of PLO players have no idea what they're doing anyways.


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01-03-2024 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Last five session all-in bustout hands (some 4-card, some 5-card):

1. Trip aces with nut flush draw and gutter to nut straight.
2. Second set with straight flush draw.
3. Two flush draws, ace high and king high + total wrap.
4. Nut full against baby full, lose to 1-outer
5. Two sets + straight flush draw.

This after 700 sessions of such death run outs just stuck on zeroing out. Thousands and thousands of outs reduced to a vanishing phantom. One big win in the 700 sessions. Normally would be at least 100. No rushes in the 700. Only about 100K hands. Limon says you are being cheated after 10K hands such streak, but that's because he is full of crap.
limon has said no such thing ever, so you sir are the one full of crap.
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01-04-2024 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
limon has said no such thing ever, so you sir are the one full of crap.
What, I made it up? Check out post 709 in your "Ask Me Anything ..." thread.
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01-04-2024 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
What, I made it up? Check out post 709 in your "Ask Me Anything ..." thread.
you (or some other moron) said they had missed 95% of draws for a 100K hands (when they were crying like a baby bitch about how they are losing). If you are missing 95% of draws you would know you were being cheated after 10k hands. the odds of bricking out nearly every runout for 10,000 hands is astronomical. yes, this is true. context matters.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=709
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01-04-2024 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I wanted to share some thoughts and concerns I've been having lately, and I thought it best to put them in writing. It's not easy for me to admit, but I've been feeling quite apprehensive about posting or discussing Omaha poker in public forums or social media. I'll be honest – I'm scared that doing so will reveal my lack of Omaha knowledge and experience.

Let me clarify that I am genuinely passionate about poker and have dedicated significant time and effort to improving my skills in Texas Hold'em and 7 card stud. However, I've only recently started delving into the world of Omaha, and I'm still in the process of learning and gaining practical experience.

The reason for my hesitation stems from a fear of being judged or criticized for not having the same level of proficiency in Omaha as I do in Hold'em. I know that every poker player was once a beginner, and everyone has to start somewhere, but the idea of exposing my limited Omaha knowledge to a potentially critical audience is daunting.

I value the poker community and the opportunity to learn and grow from fellow players, but this fear has been holding me back from actively engaging in discussions or seeking advice related to Omaha. I understand that asking questions and seeking guidance is a crucial part of the learning process, but it's still challenging for me to overcome this anxiety.

I'm writing this post as a way of acknowledging my concerns and taking a small step toward addressing them. I would appreciate any advice, encouragement, or guidance you could offer on this matter. Have you ever faced a similar situation when learning a new poker variant? How did you overcome your fears and uncertainties?

I'm eager to continue my journey in learning Omaha and ultimately becoming a more well-rounded poker player. Your support and insights would mean a lot to me during this process
Listen. Do you want to protect your ego or do you want to become the best all-around poker player you can be? Do you want to be limited to one game whether itÂ’s good or not, or be able to hop into the best game running in the room at any given time?

When I started posting in the hold ‘em forums, they told me I was dumb.

When I started posting in the Omaha forums, they told me I was dumb.

When I started posting in the mixed game forums, they told me I was dumb.

And here I am now making a bunch of money in nearly every game I play.

Along the way I never minded being insulted or trolled because I had a higher purpose which was to improve and eventually win as much as possible. I left my ego at the door. And itÂ’s working out to the tune of 9bb/hr. overall across all games and stakes over 11,000 hours and counting.

Can I still get better? Of course. Do I still post and have people tell me IÂ’m no good? All the time. Do I care what they think about me? Nope.
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01-05-2024 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
you (or some other moron) said they had missed 95% of draws for a 100K hands (when they were crying like a baby bitch about how they are losing). If you are missing 95% of draws you would know you were being cheated after 10k hands. the odds of bricking out nearly every runout for 10,000 hands is astronomical. yes, this is true. context matters.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=709
So I see you have a little trouble admitting your mistakes. No surprise.
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01-05-2024 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
So I see you have a little trouble admitting your mistakes. No surprise.
made no mistake. was 100% correct.
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01-10-2024 , 01:35 AM
Thank you for the serious responses everyone. I hadn’t read any of those responses until now.

Just some fyi:

I am a lifetime loser at PLO and don’t know why. The true reason converges on some variation of my learned strategies that I subconsciously and sometimes consciously use are not wired correctly for PLO. And secondarily I have not put the work in. I know there’s a lot of theory out there etc etc , and I know omaha is central to a thinking pokers game in 2024 in a way that sicilian defense theory is central to an e4 players game in chess. Thirdly, I do have some self esteem issues, although they are minor : )

Thank you for the responses, especially dumbos trunk. I will come back here in all likelihood a few months from now when im serious. Ty <3
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