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Not sure who you are, PM me your SN(s) if you don't mind. Obv you know who I am Y_Y

I don't think I should write a well. I haven't achieved more than a lot of grinders out there.

well its back when you were playing 1/2 on stars this year, you asked for 2 or 4 tables and I declined, ur sn is somewhat obvious isnt it?

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01-03-2013 , 11:34 AM

#27777

TGSM89

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yeah

Not sure I remember who you are

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01-03-2013 , 02:18 PM

#27778

BadAstronaut

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If this can be considered running below expectation because tiny sample size, then

(0.05/0.10)

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01-03-2013 , 02:41 PM

#27779

Mig

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Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

If this can be considered running below expectation because tiny sample size, then

(0.05/0.10)

You are right... Your true expectation is probably closer to 80bb/100.

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01-03-2013 , 03:03 PM

#27780

BadAstronaut

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Originally Posted by Mig

You are right... Your true expectation is probably closer to 80bb/100.

Hmmm? Sorry, sarcasm or did I miss/misunderstand something?

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01-03-2013 , 03:40 PM

#27781

Lemay002

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Originally Posted by TGSM89

yeah

Not sure I remember who you are

and I understand alot more why you were tilted about the lobby, I recently tried to play some <<reg>> that are sitting in the lobby, I was somewhat mad when the first one played 10 hands, btn me and quitted me to sit on another empty table, and than mad at the second one... than I realized it was just std. None of them gave me a warning and they all quitted when ahead, I am somewhat expecting this from random fish sitting me, but really ? from someone whom I've played alot of hands in shorthanded game with.. /rant

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01-03-2013 , 04:26 PM

#27782

roggo

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Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

Hmmm? Sorry, sarcasm or did I miss/misunderstand something?

I think what he means is that you are roughly 14-15 BI's under ev which is LOL in plo standards, and that you are actually OVER your "expected true winrate" running at 80evbb/100.

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01-03-2013 , 04:43 PM

#27783

BadAstronaut

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So it's easy to also run 15 buy ins above expectation just as easily in PLO? How many hands does it take before EV and actual $ won lines start to converge, if ever?

How am I over my expected true winrate? Where has the figure 80bb/100 been derived from?

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01-03-2013 , 04:52 PM

#27784

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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i think probably around 10 mil?

15 bi under is laughable, can often do that in a day.

and yeah you are obviously running like god in stuff not measured by the aiev line, as mig pointed out.

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01-03-2013 , 04:56 PM

#27785

BadAstronaut

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How do you conclude that last paragraph? (I genuinely want to know. Clueless about this stuff)

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01-03-2013 , 05:04 PM

#27786

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

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We know that noone wins at 80evbb/100 in the long run

In fact I doubt many people can win over 12-15 there due to the rake. History has shown us that's close to the maximum possible.

So the only logical possibilities are:

You are not just the worlds best player of all time, but you are 100s of times better than anyone else to ever play the game...

Or you are running considerably over expectation in cooler spots etc

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01-03-2013 , 05:05 PM

#27787

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Considerably probably a bad word I guess, I mean it's a pretty standard run good fwiw

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01-03-2013 , 05:18 PM

#27788

BadAstronaut

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I don't want to derail this thread from BBV posts, but I'm just not understanding - how do you look at the graph and simply see that it is around 80bb/100?

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01-03-2013 , 05:42 PM

#27789

MastaAces

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all information you need to calculate your winrate is represented in the graph (hands and big blinds won)...

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01-03-2013 , 05:49 PM

#27790

LazurusLong2

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Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

I don't want to derail this thread from BBV posts, but I'm just not understanding - how do you look at the graph and simply see that it is around 80bb/100?

You have played about 3000 hands. Play 100000-200000 and then look at your winrate. You are fixating on something that right now has little to no real meaning. It is difficult to extrapolate anyway, and when luck or variance or whatever you want to call it plays a significant role, it is almost impossible. Just play a lot more hands and take another look.

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01-03-2013 , 06:03 PM

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ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

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Play 100000-200000 and then look at your winrate.

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01-03-2013 , 06:13 PM

#27792

coon74

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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

You are not just the worlds best player of all time, but you are 100s of times better than anyone else to ever play the game...

Far from that, at least at PLO10, where kolodziejgambling would make a killing in rakeback. His pre-RB WR is merely 50 bb/100 (over 300K hands) but he pays 100 bb/100 in rake due to a 95/95 style and hence earns 100 bb/100 after 50% RB. BadAstronaut wins 80 bb/100 pre-RB but, with his nitty 55/30 style, he pays merely 30 bb/100 in rake, so his post-RB WR is 95 bb/100 and he's a bit worse.

But of course none of them can beat me, who crushed Full Tilt PLO25 at 200 bb/100 in November 2012.

Btw kolodziejgambling hasn't posted at all this year, I'm already anxious. I'm afraid his gf has eaten him for playing poker instead of watching the movie with her.

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01-03-2013 , 06:17 PM

#27793

napsus

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i might have played him a bit right before new years on microgaming plo100, dude had a very similar style...i wouldnt be surprised if we never heard from him again.

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01-03-2013 , 06:29 PM

#27794

LazurusLong2

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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

Very gummy smile...

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01-03-2013 , 07:38 PM

#27795

kelnel

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opa gummy smile

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01-03-2013 , 07:38 PM

#27796

cbt

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The ******-aiev-sabotage-clan is rocking again

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

BTN: 70.16 BB
SB: 64.24 BB
Hero (BB): 53.87 BB
UTG: 141.76 BB
MP: 177.71 BB
CO: 134.76 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

Flop: (36 BB, 3 players) T

SB checks, Hero bets 34.38 BB, fold, SB calls 34.38 BB

Turn: (104.76 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 7.49 BB and is all-in, SB calls 7.49 BB

River: (119.74 BB, 2 players) A

SB shows 4

(Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 44%, Flop 22%, Turn 70%)
Hero mucks Q

(Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 56%, Flop 78%, Turn 30%)
SB wins 116.94 BB

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01-03-2013 , 08:27 PM

#27797

ItsmeMario

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Originally Posted by kelnel

opa gummy smile

l0ld

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01-03-2013 , 08:34 PM

#27798

Doorbread

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Originally Posted by TGSM89

Well was playing quite a lot of 2/4 on FTP before it went down. Lost quite a lot of my roll when they went offline which set me back. Then got money on PS and was grinding up from 1/2. Around early 2012 was playing 2/4 and 3/6. Didn't play that much in early 2012 since I had final year exams of university to sit. Then in Summer through in some 5/10 and moved up a bit, rinsed a lot of 10/20 short games from August onwards and when FTP came back on played lots of 5/10 and 10/20 and last couple months I have been playing quite a bit of deep 10/20 and in Dec playing 25/50 cap.
But yeah, maybe 2-3 years ago I had an emotional attachment to the money at the table, but now I am numb to it. I still get tilted when I lose a lot though (who doesn't).
/History

When was i refusing action? ^^ I've always been an action junky. Only people I refused are those that have history of h/running that aren't uber bad and those that are mega nits/slow nits - more related to features of a player's character and things they might do to tilt me rather than skill level. There is like maybe 2 people atm that sit HU I probably wouldn't go out of my way to play although 1 of them I feel like I would have reasonable game if we stayed 50-150bb.

need graphs