SitGo6 Max -Top SET in Rainbow Board X 2Shove

[RafaelKS]

It was better to call in the flop? I dont think so , but Im begginer in Omaha, just play a few sits. I got the nuts, in holdem its a obvious shove but in omaha?

Poker Stars $1.32+$0.18 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 1551052
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SB: t865 5.77 BBs
BB: t3023 20.15 BBs
CO: t2932 19.55 BBs
Hero (BTN): t2180 14.53 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with T of diamonds K of spades T of spades 5 of diamonds
CO calls t150, Hero calls t150, SB calls t75, BB checks

Flop: (t600) 6 of diamonds T of clubs 5 of spades (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets t300, Hero raises to t1500, SB folds, BB raises to t2873 all in, CO calls t2482 all in, Hero calls t530 all in

[McShipit]

always jam, u have top set and 2 BD FD..
very happy to get it in

[napsus]

you have top set with small stack, the only question is how fast can you click raise

[chinz]

I got the nuts, in holdem its a obvious shove but in omaha?

In holdem it's not a shove, in PLO it most definitely is.

[RafaelKS]

Originally Posted by chinz

In holdem it's not a shove, in PLO it most definitely is.

You said in holdem its better to slowplay, right?

[chinz]

Yeah.

[uphigh_downlow]

I believe that raising otf is fine. This is where I believe that we do get plenty of folds. That might not happen in a 1.32 and you'll just have to do your own math for that

As played, the backdoor flushes are powerful redraws as well as blockers.

Roughly speaking:

The spot is still close and with some 'not very pessimistic' assumptions, could lead to ( the seemingly impossible) raise/fold being better. Makes you wonder..... Does suggest that we should strongly consider flatting flop if people are not folding.

You start adding trash like bottom two pair to their likely holdings and its a much easier raise/call.

precise math could prove the initial tarrot reading slightly wrong.

I assumed a 532 payoff

In holdem this is much easier. We want the money in. In pmaha we want the folds or better equity.

[prahsk87]

Originally Posted by uphigh_downlow

I believe that raising otf is fine. This is where I believe that we do get plenty of folds. That might not happen in a 1.32 and you'll just have to do your own math for that

As played, the backdoor flushes are powerful redraws as well as blockers.

Roughly speaking:

The spot is still close and with some 'not very pessimistic' assumptions, could lead to ( the seemingly impossible) raise/fold being better.

wtf how could raise/folding, with top set no less, ever be a consideration here? After raising he only has 530 left in a pot of ~7600.

[prahsk87]

and why would we want folds when we have the nuts? i'm really confused

[chinz]

Originally Posted by prahsk87

and why would we want folds when we have the nuts? i'm really confused

Bare nuts 5way on T96ss board, do you want folds on the flop?

[uphigh_downlow]

Originally Posted by prahsk87

and why would we want folds when we have the nuts? i'm really confused

made a mistake in the quick guesswork, but nuts =/= stackoff.

assuming no chops(easy enough because we have zero equity with raise/callwhen it chops) raise fold is almost 25% equity.

raise/call is 48% about 60% of the times, so yeah raise/call is better.

we need about 52% in the main to raise/call.

I take that first post back. because I mistakenly assumed that raise/fold was ~second place locked.

[chinz]

I pretty much skipped the whole hand after my 1st level "wtf we have topset on dryish board" thought process....

I have no idea what structure these are, 67/33, 60/40 or 50/30/20? Anyway I can't see how playing loose and seeing a lot of flops with bad hands could ever be a good idea when you take ICM into consideration... you should probably be stealing aggressively and relying on FE, not trying to get cheap flops and hit with speculative hands. By doing it your just getting yourself in lots of marginal +cEV situations, in other words donating EV to the players in the table not involved in the hand.

Still as played flop is super standard, you can expect over 60% equity when getting it in, in addition to winning a nice 900c pot when they fold.

[RafaelKS]

The fold is obvious wrong but I dont know if a call in the flop is so bad here (call the CO raises), because in 1,5 sits we have a lot of calling stations and we are against 3. Also, we have position to play the turn and river and they still could kill themselves. I dont know what the ICM says about this .
Althought, I shoved and probably would shove again, I only not sure about the EV.

[uphigh_downlow]

if co never folds, I would expect ~75% equity vs him and 40% EV. Thats equal to second place money in a 532.

Can you do better with a flat?

i would jam because they are likelier to go with made hands than with draws with a short SB, and you absolutely crush that part of his range, doing better than second place money.