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Set of queens on a dry flop. Is it a mistake to shove?

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10-05-2015 , 06:35 PM

hvete

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 97

Villain just sat down, never played with him before.

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37146708

MP: $50 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $84.54 (169.1 bb)
BTN: $52.08 (104.2 bb)
SB: $57.24 (114.5 bb)
BB: $67.17 (134.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN folds, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($4) Q

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.67, 2 folds, MP raises to $11.83

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10-05-2015 , 07:03 PM

JayDulce

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 110

I think, well I try to think. Anyways I think its standard to just get the money in. Being an unknown, we don't know that he'll keep barreling crap or what, so just assume you can get value and go with it. If you are a reg at poker stars and know most of the players, it makes it even more likely hes a weaker player that its time to value town.

Thats my 2 cents

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10-05-2015 , 07:13 PM

Rei Ayanami

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,685

You have a five blocker so it's impossible for villain to have a wrap, so he almost certainly has a set and we should shove now before a bad turn card kills our action.

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10-05-2015 , 07:18 PM

Rei Ayanami

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,685

The above post was a parody of bad advice.

Anyway, you are only really incentivized to call in this spot if MP has a raise/folding range comprised of low-equity hands (e.g. gutters, weak Qx) -- and even so, top set probably prefers to 3-bet -- so if you feel that's unlikely, you should definitely 3-bet. There won't be a huge practical difference between 3-betting to $22 and shoving.

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10-05-2015 , 08:01 PM

hvete

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If the SB or BB check/raised, I think it is a no-brainer shove. This is a strange line from the PFR though. Why would he play a (non-top) set that way? I think it's almost equally likely he thought "queen with king kicker, I'll just try to check this down... ok, so this guy is going for the steal... folded to me... hey, I'll try to rep QQQ, that'll fold out all his one pair-hands at least."

Last edited by hvete; 10-05-2015 at 08:09 PM.

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10-05-2015 , 08:30 PM

JayDulce

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 110

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

You have a five blocker so it's impossible for villain to have a wrap, so he almost certainly has a set and we should shove now before a bad turn card kills our action.

rofl

The blocker comment had me in tears.

OP:

I was gonna say maybe click it back, but I wouldn't want some wrap or sd+gutter type of hand to take odds, Reis 2nd post covered that in more detail.

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10-06-2015 , 01:55 AM

Cantrell

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 557

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

The above post was a parody of bad advice.

Bastard.. I read it over three times and was like

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10-06-2015 , 06:16 AM

MILLIONAIRE77

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 274

hard to do much other than 3b flop with zero reads vs Villain. He did open min raise in HJ which makes me think hes on the weaker side. bearing that in mind id 3b flop.

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10-06-2015 , 11:19 AM

NMcNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

In position I definitely prefer calling. Whether its value or a bluff players don't like raising flops and checking turns OOP. So we're mostly just getting it in with the same hands just on the turn instead of flop, but we're also getting it in with whatever air villain might have.

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10-06-2015 , 12:16 PM

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SolarAU

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,795

3bet is obv. the standard play in this spot, but if you have a read that this player is particularly aggressive on this kind of flop texture, then a call isn't bad at all, keeps bluffs in his range, letting villain barrel turn on a brick or maybe a card he picks up equity on and we can shove and be pretty happy about it on most turns.

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