You're missing an important detail: Fishes seldom auto-top-up, moreover, if I stack them they often blame me and leave the table. I usually have position on them, so money flows into my stack quickly enough to make it deep without reg-on-reg violence. But if I double up both myself and good regs sitting behind me, it's a problem.

Also, it has to do with my own solvency: due to standard post-BF distrust to poker rooms, I play on such short siterolls (2 BI per table) that I can't sit with 300 bb at a table where all the fishes are with 200 bb or shorter (in fact, at ante tables they're typically with 100 bb while I'm silly enough to auto-buy-in for 200 bb always - I have to change that to 100 bb too) - I need that money to buy in at other tables.

Leave alone solvency of a 2-tabling rec: if he doubles up at one of the tables but is bust at another, he has to rathole because his entire siteroll is 200 bb, and I don't always have a good seat at his new table ldo.

I guess I'm doing many things wrong, but my life is sucking so much now that I've turned into a bumhunting scumbag out of the blue - sorry, folks.

I don't view any player as black and white a 'reg' or a 'fish', I try to view them all individually and look at their individual tendencies to try to win the most money possible off all of them. I think vs the vast majority of people I have a bigger edge deepstacked, so running it twice would be disastrous for me.

Hope things are looking up for you soon bud

If you get the latest update (BETA version) PT3 can now import RIT properly.

I always start with RIT on, then as soon as I've done one RIT hand at the table, I turn it off.

I can only imagine how much this would tilt you when you get it all in and think you're getting 2 shots... haha.

“Years ago we hardly had anything to eat. Now I earn more money and I see every opponent as a man that tries to put me back to that poorer period. That man has to be eliminated.” Fedor Emelianenko

^ only mentality allowed to have towards other regs imo

for mac as well?

fwiw I do really think this, I'd prefer to have only fast tables and no timebanks. But I do realize I'm in the minority (at least among regs) and it's never gonna happen. I've always strongly prefered sites with as fast as possible tables (excluding IPN turbo tables in which you literally don't have time to write betsizes manually when 1 tabling)

Anyway, I still don't think having rit on/off is ethical decision at all. Everybody should simply choose the option they prefer themself.

I'm with you here, bro. I never ever use the timebank and wonder why regs complain about the recent Stars change, their 'normal' 35-sec tables were what I call 'painfully slow tables'. I've played with 25 (seldom 30) sec and 8-10 sec warnings all the way long and don't complain (and start tables often), unless Revo 2.0 freezes so that I can't click anything during those 8 sec.

To those talking about the 'combat spirit', it's useful but mind that imho manliness is dumb, we're here to make money, not to wave dicks.

Having RIT switched off doesn't add fold equity vs me as it doesn't affect in-game decisions at all, it alters only metagame decisions: e.g. I then have to play at only 1 of your (higher limit) tables instead of 2 out of 6 mine, so please don't scare your customer away and don't rip the room off extra rake.

Very surprised to see your point of view. Seems like you view the regs as employees of the poker factory or whatsoever. And the fishes are our customers lol. I'm human, not some kind of robot who only cares about EV. If I win an all in then I'm happy no matter how bad I suck a guy out. Usually just makes me even smile more.

And PLO Is meant to be an exciting game, RIT totally ruins that for me. I tried it once but it was just zero fun. Variance is part of PLO and you can learn to enjoy the suffering. Besides the easiest way to get an edge on someone is to be mentally superior to him. RIT makes it less likely for others to get on monkeytilt. As a HU player I can say >50% of my earnings come from massive tilts of my opponents.

You could try insurance poker btw

Exactly so And the current problem of the factory is that employees are vastly outnumbering customers, so mass salary cuts (e.g. the switch from dealt to WC, Ongame's Essence, Party's Palladium VIP removal) are inevitable.
I'm already one of the most active posters in the official InsuredPlay thread , I'm like deputy CEO in math issues However, I'm not going to be their customer until I start inputting enough volume on iPoker (soon) and showing a decent positive winrate (not so soon ).

this is ****ing hillarious

Setting aside considerations of 'ethics', entertainment and 'tilt', how does RIT look from a purely mathematical standpoint? I have never as yet exercised my option to RIT, but strongly suspect I should, especially if there are no downsides to the math..

Also, I'm unclear as to whether or not the RIT issue is resolved with HM2 yet?

Yep, I'm a Mac user, and it's been working fine for me over the last few days.

PPL may go on tilt less often, but when you RIT and they loose both as a favourite, then you have an increased chance of monkeytilt.

Instead of "oh well I lost a flip" they'll be like "WTF? how can I loose a flip twice"

if you use rit the expected payoff is the same, variance is reduced. google for explanations and deeper analysis, there seemed to tons and tons of results when i checked.

rit has been working for hm2 for a while now.

lol this has to be among the most ******ed things i´ve ever read on this site

for one, anybody can do whatever they want to, and this includes regs

if certain regs don´t like RIT, it´s perfectly fine for them to not use it. there´s no ethics involved in any of this

also lol at your last sentence. regs don´t entertain fish at all for the most part. if anything, most fish would probably prefer for regs to just piss off.

as a personal aside, i do tend to switch from running it twice to running it once a bit. i switch it on and then as soon as i realize i´m just running it twice versus this nitty regs who OBVIOUSLY can´t stand losing, i turn it off instantly.

against people who go on tilt easily, NOT using RIT is actually ++EV, in my opinion (not talking about the AI hands obviously, but rather about how their game may change if they lose 10 AI in a row while running it once)

I have rit turned off as when i get it ai against a fish for 300bb i want to bust him out, not chop it up and give someone else a shot of busting him who isn't rit.

When I play online I like to run it once because I am generally always comfortable losing a buy in or two and I get really tilted by chopping. I know it sounds stupid but I would almost rather just lose the whole pot. When I play live I play much bigger and I generally always try to run it 3 times unless its a small pot. Essentially Im fine with losing a 1k pot but I really don't want to lose a 10k one.

I think it's fairly common sense that it reduces variance tho, so if thats what your going for you should certainly always run it as many times as you can

I wrote about not what regs are but what they should be to make poker rooms endorse them. As for making other people tilt, it lowers overall happiness; to me, the goal of life (if there's one at all) is not to make the most money, but to make the mankind a bit happier, for which a bit of money is needed first, but the way it's obtained matters.

make mine happier while answering in skype :P

I think a few people here would change their mind if variance ****s them to the ground over and over again.
Some still have fair points I have to admit, busting a fish is probably the best argument to use RIO, tilting a reg is probably the worst.

The factor a reg gets tilted by RIO is still less than regs getting tilted by shortstackers+ratholers (me). You can hear/read them crying quite often.
While having 'tilting regs' on my list of shortstack advantages (and it is one), it's still the very last reasoning to me


I think it's ethical to tilt regs in a game called 'poker'.
Isn't/wasn't that actually a big part of the spirit of the game?

To me the additional variance is not worth the factor that regs might get tilted from by RIO and vs fish
I don't want to bother with turning it on/off all the time, that would be ****ing annoying for me .
Having a script switch it ON vs fish would be great tho .

But that's just my personal preference, you can have yours .

If I had the roll I would both RIO + full-/deepstack I guess.

It's also important to remember that your only giving your self half as much of a chance to run well by running it twice. You will obviously be closer to your actual EV, which is great, but if you want the chance to run as well as you can then u need to blast it in there and run it once.

Sure but you could also sit with your whole roll @ a nosebleed table, you only need to run well for 1 flip! You can then move from SS to MS directly !
We skip on the micros in case you lose the flip!
I think you get the idea...

What some seem to be looking for is a shortcut to higher stakes. There is none for the avg reg, you might be the blessed one or not, it's exactly 50/50, but it's also 50/50 that you're gonna get 'screwed',
which some like to forget.

If you end up with the negative part of variance you might even waste more time at the lower limits than if you had been using RIT and were closer to your actual winrate, in case you're a winning player.
Also getting to know what your winrate might be like will def. take longer, but that's ok if you have a long breath or simply don't care

If I was playing a home game with friends, then I would endorse the run it twice option, as I am there for the enjoyment of the game, and the company of my friends.

As some have pointed out, poker is a game of enemies. I am not sitting at a table to give you a chance to win your money back, I'm sitting to take it all. I understand that there will be ups and downs to the game, and I've accepted that. My job when I play is to put myself in the best spots I can, and not worry about what might happen in this hand, but more importantly what will happen in the long term if I continue to get myself into favourable situations. Running it twice may stop a suckout, but it also can stop a win.

I want to give myself the best chance to win the whole pot, not a second chance for my opponent to get their money back.

Running it twice feels like I'm playing not to lose. I prefer to play to win.

A penny saved is a penny earned.