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03-25-2016 , 02:19 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $26.60 (106.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.84 (103.4 bb)
UTG: $25.27 (101.1 bb)
MP: $28.32 (113.3 bb)
CO: $40.23 (160.9 bb)
BTN: $45.39 (181.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K Q 2
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.40, UTG calls $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

Flop: ($4.60) 2 8 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.50, UTG folds, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BTN raises to $11, Hero ?

BTN is 79/ 6/ 73%limp/ 30%agg
Flop: 54% fold to cbet, 9% raisetocbet, 38% bet vs missed cbet, 12% donk


villain seems passive, should we fold here?
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03-25-2016 , 05:23 AM
With two decent flush draws (plus two Qs for a boat) I'm inclined to call and play the river given that we're getting 5:1 to call the turn raise; if he'd raised 3x I'd fold. Sometimes a recreational player will just have trips.
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03-27-2016 , 01:46 AM
Yeah, I am inclined just to not folding here.

It is to have in consideration that we are playing a low spr from the flop, and that turn card is really good for us, specially after villain just peel the flop.

Anyway, I'd like to hear more feedback because if I posted here was because the spot gave me doubts.
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03-27-2016 , 03:30 PM
9% raise to c-bet seems quite high given how wide his range is. 38% bet vs missed c-bet also shows that villain isn't as passive as his pre-flop stats suggest.

As such, I'm inclined to think that he's def. not just raising boats here and that he can have a lot of 3x. He would raise sets/a decent amount of 2 pairs on flop I think with them stats. Only worry is the small sizing as a random 3x is going to want to charge them flush draws and so you would expect him to go a lot bigger.

Being OOP sucks in this spot because it's hard to get any value if we do hit our flush as we have no more information on whether villain has 3x or a boat. Still, I probably just call and hope we can win at showdown.
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03-27-2016 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
9% raise to c-bet seems quite high given how wide his range is. 38% bet vs missed c-bet also shows that villain isn't as passive as his pre-flop stats suggest.

As such, I'm inclined to think that he's def. not just raising boats here and that he can have a lot of 3x. He would raise sets/a decent amount of 2 pairs on flop I think with them stats. Only worry is the small sizing as a random 3x is going to want to charge them flush draws and so you would expect him to go a lot bigger.

Being OOP sucks in this spot because it's hard to get any value if we do hit our flush as we have no more information on whether villain has 3x or a boat. Still, I probably just call and hope we can win at showdown.
This is what happened, and I got lost again OTR.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $26.60 (106.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.84 (103.4 bb)
UTG: $25.27 (101.1 bb)
MP: $28.32 (113.3 bb)
CO: $40.23 (160.9 bb)
BTN: $45.39 (181.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K Q 2
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.40, UTG calls $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

Flop: ($4.60) 2 8 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.50, UTG folds, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BTN raises to $11, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($33.60) T (2 players)
Hero ?


Would you check/fold, check/call or lead on this spot?
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03-27-2016 , 05:54 PM
check fold.
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03-28-2016 , 09:46 AM
call turn, c/f river. he will not turn trips into a bluff and probably not payoff a valuebet with it.
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03-28-2016 , 05:44 PM
^ as above. Call turn, check fold that river, but expect to get a showdodwn and win reasonably often (certainly enough to justify your turn call getting such insane odds (needing only to win 16.3% of the time))
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03-28-2016 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
^ as above. Call turn, check fold that river, but expect to get a showdodwn and win reasonably often (certainly enough to justify your turn call getting such insane odds (needing only to win 16.3% of the time))
On the river we will need something like 18% because of stacks left.

Thinking on the chances he has some hand with a FD with it on the turn that get it in the river and value bet, It is still a fold?

I guess yes because he could value bets NutFlushes, and is very unlikely he value bets Jhigh Flush or worse with a paired card on the board.

What about leading the river? Taking in consideration that the player is rec, doesn't make sense to think he would call us with all his 3*** that filled a flush on the river? Does it is enough to justify value on leading or it is just EV- too?

P.D: I think I will run some PJ simulations with all this assumptions, I am a bit OCD lol

Last edited by Mindead; 03-28-2016 at 06:33 PM.
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