Would you guys agree that the tremendous rake % in 25PLO up to 100PLO makes the games, essentially unbeatable? Is it even possible to move up in levels / grind your roll at these stakes?

didnt you just post a thread saying you would like plo25 HU tables to be implemented? this is a total contradiction, wth?!

and no, youre way off

Well I mean this in terms of 6-max games, where there is less variance.

As for going Heads up, I feel like the skill involved in long term winning could easily surpass the rate rake.

play really tight so you only pay a very small pct of total rake paid.

This is very anti-my style as I love having opponents put me on a wide range of hands preflop, which ends up paying in the long run.
I feel like playing tight will only make you money when u're catching cards.

25 plo = 20bb/100 in rake. 100 plo is about 11 bb/100 rate. I personally think 50 plo is not significantly more difficult than 25 plo, so I moved up. (I have the BR).

I don't have the Sample size at 50 plo to calculate the rake in bb/100.

i think u got lvld

Yup 100 plo is def unbeatable:

pretty sick brag, sir

I always see this term "lvl", care to clarify?

wow isn't 20bb/100 a sick WINNING rate? so you need to have a sick winning rate just to break even... fml im trying to build a roll here!

Newman: How many tables do you play / how many hrs per day? Essentially, how many hands per day?
What's the time frame on that sick graph?

Sigh, replies are just discouraging, rake rate seems to be very -EV to try and grind up with a $500 roll at .1/.25

This is wrong.

Try playing the PLO25 and PLO10 HU tables on Absolute Poker (yes, AP has it). You will find that the rake effect is huge. Skill advantage does not make it profitable, especially in PLO where the swings are large.

Generally speaking,

1) The lesser the players, the greater the effect of the rake has on you. HU takes the MOST rake because you're involved in nearly every hand, so they take money off you every hand.

2) For HU, the effect of the rake is greater at lower stakes than at higher stakes.

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So yes, like someone already said, your other thread asking for PLO25 HU tables on FTP and Stars contradicts this one.

The stakes may be too small for you, but just try playing some PLO10 HU tables on AP, if only to see what I mean.

You'll be sitting there with $10. Your semi-decent (but still bad) opponent also has $10. After 15 minutes or so, you both have $8.75. When you eventually stack him, you end up with like $17. That's basically risking $10 to win $7 HU. Sure, skill advantage might be able to sustain this long term, but if you're that skilled, there are more profitable options elsewhere, like 6max or simply PLO50 or PLO100.

I did not know AP had these tables so tyvm for the info.

Focusing on your last paragraph, my ideal table is .25/.50 HU on FTP but I need the roll to play these stakes. I have thousands of hands at this level but I never had the proper roll for it, and when I did I gambled it away on 100PLO - 400PLO and eventually went busto everytime from tilt / not having padding for the variance.
So the whole point of this thread is in me trying to find if these levels are grindable / worthwhile / or a donkish bankroll building strategy.

One sick brag I have is having a $700+ stack on a .25/.50 non-deep HU table, even tho more than half of it came from one fish.

Over a 15k hands sample I got 9.25PTBB/100 in rake, which is really a lot.
While the games arent unbeatable, this games it significantly tougher to beat the games for more than it would be possible at Holdem.

does anyone agree that plo50 is easier than plo25 at ftp?
i finally got to plo50 few weeks ago and been doing way better than plo25.
this might be coz of i actually gotten a little bit better during the time in plo25 but i did play it like 30k hands b/e.... i have a feeling that theres more casual bad players and peeps from holdem(trying out omaha) at plo50 than in plo25 which makes it way better even if u give up a lil of your edge.

enough people have done it, so it is possible. i started at plo5 (on ipoker), moved up limit by limit, and my best winrates are still from plo5 and plo10.

in this game your worst enemy isnt rake, or even variance, its tilt. you dont seem to be the tilt free type.