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| Small Stakes PL Omaha Discussion of 1/2 and below pot-limit Omaha poker |
09-01-2009, 02:26 AM
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#106
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Standard shove and embrace variance spot?
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09-01-2009, 04:29 AM
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#107
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journeyman
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($31.90)
Hero ($128)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($104)
BTN ($52.70)
Dealt to Hero 5  7  9  7
fold, fold, CO raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero?
CO is playing laggy and maybe on the too-loose side, but it's a small sample. He's not a huge fish, nor am I particularly scared of him making tricky plays.
Would this be a bad call to make?
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09-01-2009, 08:12 AM
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#108
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old hand
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
SB: $340.45
BB: $199.65
Hero (UTG): $207.60
MP: $214.00
CO: $340.20
BTN: $217.85
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J  A  A  K
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB calls $10, Hero raises to $49, CO calls $37, BB calls $37
Flop: ($148.00) T  Q  Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($148.00) 8 (3 players)
BB bets $68, Hero folds, CO folds
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09-01-2009, 11:59 AM
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#109
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veteran
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
both tags, the one betting is more lag preflop, but both in line postflop
PL Omaha, $200.00 (HHConverter by Kreatief)
Visit ******** to purchase hand histories from a range of sites, game types and stakes.
BB ($285.05) ______ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($208.90) ________ (38/7/5,67/16 - 88h)
MP3 ($233.10) ________ (31/22/3,79/32 - 33933h)
CO ($213.30) _________ (36/6/1,73/28 - 657h)
BTN ($272.70)
SB ($204.20) ______ (25/11/5,94/19 - 1306h)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9  8  K  T
3 folds, Hero raises to $7.00, SB raises to $22.00, BB calls $21.00, Hero calls $16.00,
Flop: 8  , 7  , 9  ( $69, 3 players )
SB checks, BB bets $48.00, 2 folds,
Results:
Outcome: BB wins $114.00
insta snap call donk
PL Omaha, $200.00 (HHConverter by Kreatief)
Visit ******** to purchase hand histories from a range of sites, game types and stakes.
SB ($177.95) ______ (78/29/1,38/34 - 285h)
BB ($487.40) _________ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($200.00)
MP3 ($277.00) _____ (22/14/2,29/27 - 21346h)
CO ($239.15) _________ (33/6/1,56/23 - 883h)
BTN ($220.80) ________ (42/17/2,41/30 - 2275h)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T  J  9  6
Hero raises to $7.00, MP3 raises to $20.00, 2 folds, SB calls $19.00, 1 folds, Hero calls $13.00,
Flop: 8  , T  , 9  ( $62, 3 players )
SB bets $62.00, 2 folds,
Results:
Outcome: SB wins $121.00
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09-01-2009, 09:22 PM
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#110
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veteran
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonely_squirrel
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($31.90)
Hero ($128)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($104)
BTN ($52.70)
Dealt to Hero 5  7  9  7
fold, fold, CO raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero?
CO is playing laggy and maybe on the too-loose side, but it's a small sample. He's not a huge fish, nor am I particularly scared of him making tricky plays.
Would this be a bad call to make?
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Standard fold. Can't think of a single reason to call. Can you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMagnet
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
SB: $340.45
BB: $199.65
Hero (UTG): $207.60
MP: $214.00
CO: $340.20
BTN: $217.85
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J  A  A  K
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB calls $10, Hero raises to $49, CO calls $37, BB calls $37
Flop: ($148.00) T  Q  Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($148.00) 8 (3 players)
BB bets $68, Hero folds, CO folds
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Looks fine. $49 invested, don't lose another $68 on a board like this 3-way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by eule
both tags, the one betting is more lag preflop, but both in line postflop
PL Omaha, $200.00 (HHConverter by Kreatief)
Visit ******** to purchase hand histories from a range of sites, game types and stakes.
BB ($285.05) ______ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($208.90) ________ (38/7/5,67/16 - 88h)
MP3 ($233.10) ________ (31/22/3,79/32 - 33933h)
CO ($213.30) _________ (36/6/1,73/28 - 657h)
BTN ($272.70)
SB ($204.20) ______ (25/11/5,94/19 - 1306h)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9  8  K  T
3 folds, Hero raises to $7.00, SB raises to $22.00, BB calls $21.00, Hero calls $16.00,
Flop: 8  , 7  , 9  ( $69, 3 players )
SB checks, BB bets $48.00, 2 folds,
Results:
Outcome: BB wins $114.00
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Looks fine, will nearly always have made straight and very rarely something you're very far ahead of.
Quote:
insta snap call donk 
PL Omaha, $200.00 (HHConverter by Kreatief)
Visit ******** to purchase hand histories from a range of sites, game types and stakes.
SB ($177.95) ______ (78/29/1,38/34 - 285h)
BB ($487.40) _________ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($200.00)
MP3 ($277.00) _____ (22/14/2,29/27 - 21346h)
CO ($239.15) _________ (33/6/1,56/23 - 883h)
BTN ($220.80) ________ (42/17/2,41/30 - 2275h)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T J 9 6
Hero raises to $7.00, MP3 raises to $20.00, 2 folds, SB calls $19.00, 1 folds, Hero calls $13.00,
Flop: 8 , T , 9 ( $62, 3 players )
SB bets $62.00, 2 folds,
Results:
Outcome: SB wins $121.00
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Seems fine too, his bet would be reasonable enough with QJ no redraws.
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09-01-2009, 09:24 PM
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#111
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veteran
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Good spot to move villain off a chop or horrendous spew? Only have 13 hands on him, he's playing 54/8 so far and I'm an unknown to him.
$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($44.93)
UTG+1 ($123.73)
CO ( $33.00)
BTN ( $195.68)
Hero (SB) ($100.90)
BB ($105.92)
Pre-flop: ( $1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB J  K  7  6
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: 8  5  Q  ( $4.50, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds
Turn: 4  ( $10.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $14.25, Hero calls $14.25, UTG folds
River: 4  ( $42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero raises to $83.65
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09-01-2009, 09:58 PM
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#112
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poker monkey
Good spot to move villain off a chop or horrendous spew? Only have 13 hands on him, he's playing 54/8 so far and I'm an unknown to him.
$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($44.93)
UTG+1 ($123.73)
CO ( $33.00)
BTN ( $195.68)
Hero (SB) ($100.90)
BB ($105.92)
Pre-flop: ( $1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB J  K  7  6
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: 8  5  Q  ( $4.50, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds
Turn: 4  ( $10.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $14.25, Hero calls $14.25, UTG folds
River: 4  ( $42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero raises to $83.65
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He ain't always betting his straights here cos a ton of your wraps just made a FH and will always call/raise. Oh, and a ton of his wrap hands just made a FH too.
Spew.
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09-02-2009, 11:11 AM
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#113
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 289
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
When do you fold AAxx preflop in FR PLO200...?
I put the first raiser on KKxx and the RRer in LP on AAxx (I was right), but then wasn't sure mainly because of stack sizes (mainly disparity in stacks between open raiser and RRed in LP).
My side cards pushed me towards calling, but I would probably be calling with crappier AAxx.... it's PLO200 sometimes who knows what they are thinking.
PL Omaha $2(BB)
SB ($302)
BB ($200)
UTG ($506)
UTG+1 ($24.30)
UTG+2 ($337)
MP1 ($77.80)
Hero ($199)
BTN ($143)
Dealt to Hero A  8  A  7
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 raises to $11, MP1 calls $11, Hero calls $11, BTN raises to $62,
fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]UTG+2 calls $51, MP1 calls $51, Hero ($11 in the pot, $178 left behind) ?
UTG+2 shows 7  3 K K
(Pre 26%)
MP1 shows T Q  6 J
(Pre 29%)
Hero shows A 8 A 7
(Pre 27%)
BTN shows 5 A A Q
(Pre 18%)
I knew the shorty would be getting best of it with some rundown. The real problem was figuring out how my AAxx does vs. AAxx and KKxx:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=6645027
pokenum -mc 500000 -o 7c 3h kh kc - as 8c ad 7s - 5c ac ah qs
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc 7c Kh 3h 150594 30.12 349406 69.88 0 0.00 0.301
As 7s 8c Ad 116730 23.35 231886 46.38 151384 30.28 0.385
Qs Ac 5c Ah 81292 16.26 267324 53.46 151384 30.28 0.314
-wm
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09-02-2009, 11:38 AM
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#114
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Your aces are very strong, no way I am folding those!
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09-02-2009, 12:04 PM
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#115
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Ship it in. They're mediocre aces but... they're aces and you can your stack in pre-. Also you should 3-bet first time round.
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09-02-2009, 12:09 PM
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#116
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd_poker
He ain't always betting his straights here cos a ton of your wraps just made a FH and will always call/raise. Oh, and a ton of his wrap hands just made a FH too.
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Are there really that many hands that have a full house on the river that would be calling on the flop then raising this turn?
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09-02-2009, 12:24 PM
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#117
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
is it a fold pre? i'm like 80...90% sure there's AA in his hand.
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BTN/SB: $94.80
Hero (BB): $112.15
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K  K  4  4
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB raises to $27, Hero
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09-02-2009, 12:34 PM
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#118
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Fold with 95bbs, I dont know where a call is neutral EV.
Last edited by Spurious; 09-02-2009 at 12:41 PM.
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09-02-2009, 12:38 PM
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#119
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journeyman
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
This is a call this deep!
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don't think 95 bb is deep enough when there's 1.2 potbet left to play
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09-02-2009, 12:41 PM
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#120
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmmkay
don't think 95 bb is deep enough when there's 1.2 potbet left to play
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I dont even know what you are talking about
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