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01-16-2010 , 02:42 PM
Just call the l/rr unless you really think you can get it all in profitably. Don't think about FE.
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01-16-2010 , 06:24 PM
Poker Stars $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $164.50
Hero (BB): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 2 A 8 J
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, BTN/SB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 9 T 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $25.00, BTN/SB calls $25

Turn: ($86.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $36.00, Hero raises to $160
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01-16-2010 , 08:27 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $57.25
BTN: $27.75
SB: $28.85
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $18.35
MP: $125.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K A Q J
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.25, UTG calls $4.75, MP calls $3.75

Flop: ($16.00) 7 8 A (3 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG calls $12, MP calls $12

Turn: ($52.00) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $32.75 all in, UTG calls $1.10 all in, MP requests TIME, MP calls $32.75

River: ($118.60) 7 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $118.60
Hero shows K A Q J (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
UTG shows J T 8 J (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
MP shows T 7 K 9 (three of a kind, Sevens)
MP wins $63.05
MP wins $52.55
(Rake: $3.00)

probably standard so I put it here, wasn't planning on repping hearts fwiw


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $63.45
BTN: $28.65
SB: $56.55
BB: $50.00
UTG: $36.55
MP: $79.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 2 A J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18.75, BTN raises to $28.65 all in, Hero calls $9.90

Flop: ($58.05) 9 4 5

Turn: ($58.05) 9

River: ($58.05) J

Final Pot: $58.05
Hero shows 2 A J K (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
BTN shows A A T T (two pair, Aces and Nines)
BTN wins $55.15
(Rake: $2.90)

3rd time he's 3bet me playing 49/36 over about 45 hands
do u guys just suck it up and fold here? or open fold if facing this character if you're going to fold to 3bet? ofc he has AA**, naturally. his half stack plays a lot into this I suppose.
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01-17-2010 , 04:32 AM
Hope this is the right place to post rather than starting a new thread.

I'm new to PLO and have been playing 4 tables of $0.02/$0.05 buying in for $5 on Stars. I wondered if my stats are a bit nitty over a sample of 3,757 (I know this is a tiny sample)

VP$IP = 21.7
PFR = 14.1
3bet = 4.3
Agg = 3.10
WTSD = 29.5
Won@SD = 50.7

My positional stats are uber tight UTG and loosen towards the button so my positional play is ok but I am assuming my 29.17bb/100 (using HEM) is massively unsustainable!
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01-17-2010 , 04:41 AM
hey guys , what is the highest winrate you have seen from some1 at 6max plo over a 100k sample
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01-17-2010 , 10:22 AM
17/12 nit villan with weird 4.5 agg.
Can't ever fold this can I?
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $135.10
BTN: $147.75
Hero (SB): $263.80
BB: $328.20
UTG: $185.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K 6 K 6
2 folds, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1, BB checks

Flop: ($6.00) 6 9 K (3 players)
Hero bets $5.70, BB calls $5.70, BTN calls $5.70

Turn: ($23.10) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20, BTN folds, Hero raises to $82, BB calls $62

River: ($187.10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $185.10, Hero ??
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01-17-2010 , 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMagnet
17/12 nit villan with weird 4.5 agg.
Can't ever fold this can I?
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $135.10
BTN: $147.75
Hero (SB): $263.80
BB: $328.20
UTG: $185.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K 6 K 6
2 folds, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1, BB checks

Flop: ($6.00) 6 9 K (3 players)
Hero bets $5.70, BB calls $5.70, BTN calls $5.70

Turn: ($23.10) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20, BTN folds, Hero raises to $82, BB calls $62

River: ($187.10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $185.10, Hero ??
I'm new to PLO and I don't think I'm ever folding here. What hands with 74 does he call the flop bet and turn c/r with? Does he put you on a missed flush/pair combo or lower set and is trying to push you off a hand?
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01-17-2010 , 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkyPuds
I'm new to PLO and I don't think I'm ever folding here. What hands with 74 does he call the flop bet and turn c/r with? Does he put you on a missed flush/pair combo or lower set and is trying to push you off a hand?
87xx got there and that is huge part of his flop calling range.
I could have just bet the amount on river that I would be comfortable calling with. We can definitely fold to raise even with ridiculous odds. No nit is ever turning any non straight hand to bluff if we bet the river also.

edit: 4.5 af isn't really that high if you are playing really tight preflop. Good starting hands connect so often that they can just bet-bet-bet all day long.
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01-17-2010 , 12:08 PM
Oops, misread board. I agree 87xx is a huge part of his range for calling on the flop
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01-17-2010 , 04:47 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BB: $159.50
Hero (BTN/SB): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T 5 2 4
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 6 J (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $90?
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01-17-2010 , 04:48 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $280.50
Hero (BB): $236.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K 8 T 7
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, BTN/SB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 6 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $24.50, BTN/SB raises to $109, Hero raises to $218.50 all in, BTN/SB calls $109.50
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01-17-2010 , 04:51 PM
1st: whats there to think about? fold man.
2nd: standard
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01-17-2010 , 05:50 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $143.95
Hero (BB): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with Q 9 A 6
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, BTN/SB calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 2 3 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $26, BTN/SB calls $26

Turn: ($88.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $87, BTN/SB calls $87

River: ($262.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN/SB calls $12.95 all in
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01-17-2010 , 06:00 PM
Hey I'm an 8gamer and PLO is prob one of my weak spots, especially AA hands. Should I be 3betting this 100% even though its kind of raggedy? What about OOP? Given pre- how's my postflop line?



Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 482024
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BB: $22.80
UTG: $14.15
CO: $28.65
Hero (BTN): $29.85
SB: $17.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A T A 5
1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) A T Q (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40, SB folds

Turn: ($7.30) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($14.80) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $7.25
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01-17-2010 , 06:05 PM
jwc529, the second hand you have to open fold I think. Then switch seats and get position on him.
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01-17-2010 , 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zuutroy
Hey I'm an 8gamer and PLO is prob one of my weak spots, especially AA hands. Should I be 3betting this 100% even though its kind of raggedy? What about OOP? Given pre- how's my postflop line?



Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 482024
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BB: $22.80
UTG: $14.15
CO: $28.65
Hero (BTN): $29.85
SB: $17.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A T A 5
1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) A T Q (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40, SB folds

Turn: ($7.30) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($14.80) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $7.25
I ignore the 3:1 odds he is generously providing me and find the fold button due to his bet sizing indication (of the NUTS)
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01-17-2010 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
1st: whats there to think about? fold man.
2nd: standard
fold to his $20 bet in to a $36 dollar pot in position? i just cant fold to his flop bet, if i'll be folding to much in 3bet pots oponents will be owning me, i must do their life as hard as possible when i'm IP in 3bet pots, i must float a lot if not it will be exploating (or whatever this word is , sorry for english feels like i made some misstakes here), esp. he's betting only 20 dollars it's a standard c-bet and it doesnt mean much. so i'm calling and see turn IP, bluffing some % of the time and hitting my straight sometimes. but for some reason i decided to shove and i posted this hand to ask is it spew shove? and it probably is!
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01-17-2010 , 07:25 PM
First steps in PLO. Don't have much history yet, so can't give any detail about villains. Just want to get figured out what line is best on the turn. Probably shouldn't have raised, but it seems that pot would have builded anyway. Easy call, or scared for flush/boat-draws (especially taking in mind that all players play at least 100bb)?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $28.10
Hero (BB): $49.30
UTG: $24.65
MP: $23.85
CO: $25.00
BTN: $39.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 4 T Q 7
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) J Q K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.75) A (3 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3, CO raises to $10.50, SB raises to $27.85 all in, Hero ??
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01-17-2010 , 07:55 PM
1)
Villain in this hand seems like a guy that more or less knows what he's doing and is 3 betting a fair amount in position(i would guess around 10% in this spot). He 3 bet me 2-3 orbits ago is a similar spot and i folded.
Is it ok to call here preflop? Would you call with low offsuit rundowns? suited? What should my calling range be in this spot against an agro reg?
As played flop is standard given i have around 45% against aces and even money against wrap, right?
Party Poker $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BB: $20.69
UTG: $19.56
MP: $25.83
Hero (CO): $27.88
BTN: $26.62
SB: $3.16

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 9 T A 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN raises to $2.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.05

Flop: ($6.15) 6 7 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.85, Hero raises to $23.40

2)
First Villain is 33/7/2.6 station type, 3 bettor is 39/16/4.2 with 7.3% overall 3 bet.
What hands should I be coldcalling a 3 bet here with? Is my hand strong enough? What's the bottom line? On the flop i think i should have led out, but once i check c/raising is the right play, right?

Party Poker $25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $11.62
CO: $28.88
BTN: $21.25
SB: $45.46
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $16.48

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with T Q J A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, BTN raises to $2.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.65, CO calls $2.05

Flop: ($8.80) 5 Q K (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, BTN raises to $2.75, Hero raises to $16.86, CO raises to $25.98 all in, BTN folds, Hero calls $5.24 all in

Turn: ($55.75) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($55.75) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Thx for replies

Last edited by 1fineday; 01-17-2010 at 08:09 PM.
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01-17-2010 , 08:20 PM
The guy that 3 bets is running 85/24/3.2, playing pretty agro with 20% 3 bet over 100 hands. The short stack plays 69/29 game. Fold, raise or call preflop? If you would fold, what hands do you need here to 4 bet? to call? Thanks

$25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $10.13
CO: $12.02
BTN: $61.22
SB: $22.12
Hero (BB): $31.25
UTG: $14.24

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 J T 8
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.45, 1 fold, Hero...
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01-17-2010 , 08:25 PM
i'd just fold iseeyou, you're OOP, no suits, there's a SS that's probably ready to take a stand and u don't want to 4bet that hand.
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01-17-2010 , 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
i'd just fold iseeyou, you're OOP, no suits, there's a SS that's probably ready to take a stand and u don't want to 4bet that hand.
yeah, but if it's the top of my folding range, why not 4 bet it as a semi-bluff?
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01-17-2010 , 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iseeyou
yeah, but if it's the top of my folding range, why not 4 bet it as a semi-bluff?
even if it was double suited a call would be much better than a 4bet, it's not like this hand plays well HU for short money, let alone to try to isolate someone and get it all in preflop.
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01-17-2010 , 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
even if it was double suited a call would be much better than a 4bet, it's not like this hand plays well HU for short money, let alone to try to isolate someone and get it all in preflop.
Don't you think that because BTN range is so wide, he will often call with hands that play worse than our hand and we will set ourselves for a lot of +EV postflop situations? Like when we get all in on the flop with a wrap against a lower wrap or flop comes A72, we c bet and he folds? Our hand plays good on different flops and we pick up dead money a lot. Do you agree?
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01-17-2010 , 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zuutroy
Hey I'm an 8gamer and PLO is prob one of my weak spots, especially AA hands. Should I be 3betting this 100% even though its kind of raggedy? What about OOP? Given pre- how's my postflop line?



Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 482024
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BB: $22.80
UTG: $14.15
CO: $28.65
Hero (BTN): $29.85
SB: $17.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A T A 5
1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) A T Q (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40, SB folds

Turn: ($7.30) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($14.80) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $7.25
raise preflop. you have the button.
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