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12-30-2009 , 04:24 PM
Hand 1: Main question: should i be 3-betting this hand ever? Is it ok to play this draw aggressive even though he may be blocking alot of my outs?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $3.11
Hero (BB): $6.19
UTG: $3.26
MP: $4.26
CO: $5.00
BTN: $2.42

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 9 J K Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 2 K T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.24, BTN calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.61) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.61, BTN calls $0.61

River: ($1.83) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.62, Hero folds

Hand 2: Is this river a check or a b/f? If im betting im looking to get paid off by A9,A7,AK,AT

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $3.10
Hero (CO): $5.15
BTN: $3.65
SB: $4.20
BB: $4.80
UTG: $3.29

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 9 Q T 9
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) 7 9 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.28, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.64) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.64, UTG calls $0.64

River: ($1.92) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ???

Hand 3: Blind vs. blind. I really like to put pressure on sb in these spots. If I call turn, must I always call the river when I hit the straight?

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MP: $4.72
CO: $1.14
BTN: $5.00
SB: $3.22
Hero (BB): $2.31
UTG: $4.43

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 6 T 7 T
4 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.12) A 9 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.32) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, SB raises to $1.04, Hero calls $0.80

River: ($2.40) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero snap calls?
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12-30-2009 , 07:50 PM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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SB: $25.35
BB: $25.00
UTG: $36.55
CO: $18.10
Hero (BTN): $91.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 7 7 6 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB raises to $2.80, BB calls $2.55, Hero calls $1.95

Flop: ($8.40) 6 Q 2 (3 players)
SB bets $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $23, SB folds

Final Pot: $18.40
Hero mucks 7 7 6 8
Hero wins $17.50
(Rake: $0.90)

I know is a spew and I am shocked he folded. After the hand I was thinking about what the right play is facing a bet.
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12-30-2009 , 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Miwa
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Q A A 7
i fold.
youre screwed pretty often and flip alot vs all kinds of combodraws, pair+draw stuff.
youre only really ahead when villain goes bananas. but since he still has all of the other stuff its still a fold imo.
dead money is plenty after your bet but its still too close i guess.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Borzing
Hand 1: Hero is BB with 9 J K Q

Hand 2: Hero is CO with 9 Q T 9

Hand 3: Hero is BB with 6 T 7 T
1) 3bet is totally fine especially vs a villain with a wide opening range.
cr is overplayed imo. just bet. getting it in if raised is fine. when you cr you fold out a lot that youre ahead of and get it in with the very best of villains range which you might be in bad shape against.
when you just cbet villain will continue with a lot and your bet will clearly be for value.
im not sure if theres merit in checkcalling. i guess it would miss value.

2) youre getting payed off by 77 too.
however im not sure if most villains will pay you off with two pair here too often even though the fd has missed.
i personally check behind but could be too nitty.

btw i think that the hand is too weak to 3bet. on the other hand it plays better hu than multiway.
would like to hear more thoughts on this.

3) fold turn imo. unless you have a solid read on villain being crazy aggro (limpcalling pre doesnt suggest that this is the case) then youre either drawing dead or have lots of dirty outs vs a 9.
river is a fold too imo.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asbrock
Hero is BTN with 7 7 6 8
hm sick hand. i personally would never do it. since you have a pair in your hand your equity isnt really great when called by aces. if you had 6789 it would prolly still be spew vs most but your equity is much better.

i guess just folding is the right play. mayyybe float if he 3bets lots, cbets lots and has a tendency to give up if called and not having a very strong hand.
its a rare combo of a player though i think.
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12-31-2009 , 12:42 AM
Do I just lead on the flop? Is river raise call or fold? Don't know if villain raises worse.

Everest Poker, $.01/.02 Pot limit Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
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Board:
naffsn (UTG): $2.15
vis007 (UTG+1): $.94
bertrand62 (CO): $.98
yalta444 (Button): $3.79
HERO(SB): $2.08
jherian (BB): $1.06

Dealt to HERO Q 8 T 9

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), vis007 calls $.02, bertrand62 calls $.02, yalta444 calls $.02, HEROcalls $.01, jherian checks

Flop: ($.10) T T 2 (5 Players)
HEROchecks, jherian checks, vis007 checks, bertrand62 checks, yalta444 checks

Turn: ($.10) A (5 Players)
HERObets $.10, (3 folds), yalta444 calls $.10

River: ($.30) 3 (2 Players)
HERObets $.20, yalta444 raises to $.70,

Hand 2
Too passive post flop?

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Board:
DavejSzabo (SB): $4.44
europachamp (BB): $1.91
yalta444 (UTG): $3.03
HERO(CO): $2.32
jherian (Button): $.68

Dealt to HERO T 8 J T

Pre-flop:
yalta444 calls $.02, HEROraises to $.07, (1 folds), DavejSzabo calls $.08, (1 folds), yalta444 calls $.07

Flop: ($.27) 5 K A (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 checks, HEROchecks

Turn: ($.27) 6 (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 checks, HEROchecks

River: ($.27) T (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 bets $.29, [color=red]HEROcalls $.29

thanks
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12-31-2009 , 12:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by god is dead
Do I just lead on the flop? Is river raise call or fold? Don't know if villain raises worse.

Everest Poker, $.01/.02 Pot limit Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
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Board:
naffsn (UTG): $2.15
vis007 (UTG+1): $.94
bertrand62 (CO): $.98
yalta444 (Button): $3.79
HERO(SB): $2.08
jherian (BB): $1.06

Dealt to HERO Q 8 T 9

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), vis007 calls $.02, bertrand62 calls $.02, yalta444 calls $.02, HEROcalls $.01, jherian checks

Flop: ($.10) T T 2 (5 Players)
HEROchecks, jherian checks, vis007 checks, bertrand62 checks, yalta444 checks

Turn: ($.10) A (5 Players)
HERObets $.10, (3 folds), yalta444 calls $.10

River: ($.30) 3 (2 Players)
HERObets $.20, yalta444 raises to $.70,

Hand 2
Too passive post flop?

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Board:
DavejSzabo (SB): $4.44
europachamp (BB): $1.91
yalta444 (UTG): $3.03
HERO(CO): $2.32
jherian (Button): $.68

Dealt to HERO T 8 J T

Pre-flop:
yalta444 calls $.02, HEROraises to $.07, (1 folds), DavejSzabo calls $.08, (1 folds), yalta444 calls $.07

Flop: ($.27) 5 K A (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 checks, HEROchecks

Turn: ($.27) 6 (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 checks, HEROchecks

River: ($.27) T (3 Players)
DavejSzabo checks, yalta444 bets $.29, [color=red]HEROcalls $.29

thanks
hand 1, raise pre, as played --lead flop, fold to river raise. you might want to c/c since his only hands u beat are aces up, and flush draw. both prob won't call again

hand 2 is fine but fold river, you're rarely good given action
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12-31-2009 , 06:09 AM
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PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($56.10)
BB ($79.20) (40/2/1.8 300 hands)
Hero ($67.80)
UTG+1 ($91.85)
CO ($14.30)
BTN ($24)

Dealt to Hero A Q 8 7

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1

FLOP ($4.75) 8 2 7

BB checks, Hero bets $4.75, BTN raises to $19, BB raises to $66.50, Hero folds, BTN calls $3.50 (AI)

standard? anybody calling this?
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12-31-2009 , 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1LLa
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($56.10)
BB ($79.20) (40/2/1.8 300 hands)
Hero ($67.80)
UTG+1 ($91.85)
CO ($14.30)
BTN ($24)

Dealt to Hero A Q 8 7

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1

FLOP ($4.75) 8 2 7

BB checks, Hero bets $4.75, BTN raises to $19, BB raises to $66.50, Hero folds, BTN calls $3.50 (AI)

standard? anybody calling this?
postflop is standard, @ utg fold pre...
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12-31-2009 , 11:20 AM
Is this turn a c/f since the flush hit or do fish call flop with more than just a flush draw? This situation comes up quite a bit it seems. I think if he started with 100b I definitely check and fold or peel depending on his bet size.

Poker Stars $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $6.07
BB: $2.19
UTG: $4.92
MP: $4.09
CO: $11.02
BTN: $10.68

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A 9 A 2
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60) 9 J 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, CO folds

Turn: ($1.80) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.39 all in

River: ($4.58) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $4.58
Hero shows Ac 9c As 2s
BB shows Kh Ks Qh 4c
BB wins $4.38
(Rake: $0.20)
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12-31-2009 , 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingston24
@ utg fold pre...
NEVAAAAH

@past_pluto, i never fold there when he has < potsize left, i'd probably just shove if i don't have any reads. otherwise c/c to catch bluffs might be a good option.
i've seen the weirdest holdings in these situation by short/midstackers.

i don't think i'd pot such a drawy flop 3way oop however, rather c/folding.
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12-31-2009 , 07:36 PM
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.30 Ante - 4 players

BB: $258.65
CO: $677.55
Hero (BTN): $616.80
SB: $272.95

Pre Flop: ($4.20) Hero is BTN with 8 T K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($23.20) J 9 Q (2 players)
SB bets $11.60, Hero raises to $42, SB calls $30.40

Turn: ($107.20) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

Villain is 28/8 over small sample. $221 left on the turn. Bet $76/call?

Last edited by dmkai3; 12-31-2009 at 07:41 PM. Reason: maybe 4 bet pre and raise more on flop too
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12-31-2009 , 07:58 PM
i fee like a postflopnit but i check behind and vbet any river (except a T) if checked to.
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01-01-2010 , 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExaMeter
i fee like a postflopnit but i check behind and vbet any river (except a T) if checked to.
Me, too.
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01-01-2010 , 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExaMeter
i fee like a postflopnit but i check behind and vbet any river (except a T) if checked to.
That sounds like a good idea. And what if he bombs the river after we check? Crying call because we may have induced it by checking?
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01-01-2010 , 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmkai3
That sounds like a good idea. And what if he bombs the river after we check? Crying call because we may have induced it by checking?
fold mostly
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01-01-2010 , 07:11 PM
Is this good or bad vs a pretty aggressive guy who plays nearly every hand? It sounded like a good option at the time but now not so much.

Poker Stars $5.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $0.87
BTN: $9.72
Hero (SB): $6.00
BB: $10.89
UTG: $8.35

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 8 A A 7
UTG calls $0.05, CO raises to $0.22, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.76, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.71, CO raises to $0.87, Hero calls $0.11, UTG calls $0.11

Flop: ($2.66) 6 Q 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero raises to $5.13, UTG calls $4.13

Turn: ($12.92) 4 (3 players)

River: ($12.92) 9 (3 players)
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01-02-2010 , 01:07 AM
Friend and I disagreed on how i played this hand? UTG is not a good player. While this is not the best hand to call a raise with OOP i wanted to play hands with UTG. I liked it he didn't, what's the verdict.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $6.85
BTN: $20.75
SB: $23.10
Hero (BB): $43.00
UTG: $52.20

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A 9 K 2
UTG raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 3 A 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25, Hero raises to $11.10, UTG calls $8.85, CO folds

Turn: ($27.10) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $23.20, UTG raises to $40.25 all in, Hero calls $7.85 all in

River: ($89.20) T (2 players - 2 are all in)
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01-02-2010 , 02:02 AM
I'm new to PLO and am worried I'm losing value/occ spewing w my river play esp oop.

Villain is a 73/38/3.6 AFq 39% reg.

On river, I think the right line is c/c up to about 1/2 psb, c/f larger, but not sure.

From my NLHE experience, I really want to b/f the river (trying to control my NLHE thinking).

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/451427
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SB: $11.80
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.15
Hero (MP): $14.15
CO: $20.90
BTN: $14.50

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Ks 4s Kc Jc
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 6h Qs 2s (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65, UTG folds

Turn: ($2.35) As (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

River: ($5.35) Ac (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
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01-02-2010 , 07:03 AM
nh
b/f would be horrible imo
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01-02-2010 , 09:19 AM
Standard or spew? I see BTN's limp 4 way as incredibly weak especially as he justs flat my pf raise.

Party Poker $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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SB: $146.30
Hero (BB): $100.00
CO: $72.70
BTN: $107.48

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 8 4 Q Q
1 fold, BTN calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q 8 K (2 players)
Hero bets $7.13, BTN calls $7.13

Turn: ($21.76) K (2 players)
Hero bets $20.68, BTN raises to $41.36, Hero raises to $62.04, BTN raises to $82.72, Hero raises to $89.37, BTN calls $6.65
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01-02-2010 , 09:37 AM
Fairly standard i think? No special reads from villain, seems quite TAG to me.

Seat 1: Hero ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 2: CO ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 3: Button ($5.38 in chips)
Seat 5: SB ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 8: BB ($8.65 in chips)



DEALING_HOLE_CARDS
J,J,A,A

PRE-FLOP
Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Button folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3.50, CO folds, SB calls $3.50.

FLOP [board cards: T,2,9 ]

SB checks, Hero bets $7.50, SB calls $6.20 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: T,2,9,Q ]


RIVER [board cards: T,2,9,Q,A ]
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01-02-2010 , 10:32 AM
This is always shove, right?
could be against set, but there is so much other worse draws that will call... so we just ship?


$50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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CO: $37.40
Hero (BTN): $56.85
SB: $82.05
BB: $50.45

BB posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero is BTN with 9 9 A Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.50) A 6 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $13.50, Hero raises to $45, BB raises to $48.45, Hero calls $3.45

Turn: ($101.40) Q (2 players)

River: ($101.40) 4 (2 players)
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01-02-2010 , 11:04 AM
slycbnew: i really want to bet/fold the river there as well. c/c will probably send you on sort of a negative freeroll, he checks when you're ahead and bets when you're beat. mb not completely, but mostly.

shoobri: i don't like it. i think you're overplaying your hand there, preflop and on the turn. i personally raise about my 3betting range against limpers when i'm in the blinds. that's mostly very good hands. flop bet is obvious, on the turn tho, i think checking or betting smth like half pot is best. by that you can squeeze some more value out of the hand if you're ahead and have him dead or close to it (quite likely). once he minraises your potbet i'd be very concerned that possibility b) is where you're at, being beat and drawing dead or very close to it. the real mistake is probably the potbet on the turn, i feel like you're chasing away all his weaker hands and keeping only the stronger ones in.

pathfinder: yes. standard. that's a good flop for your hand especially with the J blockers.

pokyrys: in position you don't really have to ship it right on the flop but i guess it's not a big mistake either. against passive players who have a set there 95% of the time i'd call and see a turn. getting it in on this particular one, so it wouldn't have made a difference here : )

Last edited by Sh1LLa; 01-02-2010 at 11:15 AM.
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01-02-2010 , 02:16 PM
is this spew?

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $10.49
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $21.24
SB: $43.68
BB: $19.30
UTG: $21.98

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A K 7 6
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.25) 7 6 K (5 players)
SB bets $1.25, BB folds, MP folds, Hero raises to $4.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $14, Hero raises to $24.75 all in

Final Pot: $29.25
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01-02-2010 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcredskins24
is this spew?
in limped pot it is
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01-02-2010 , 04:53 PM
Is this a spew? What is the proper play here after we get raised on the flop?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BB: $163.90
Hero (BTN/SB): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 J A 8
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) J Q J (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $35, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $91 all in, BB calls $33

Turn: ($200.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($200.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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