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Old 03-13-2012, 09:11 PM   #4681
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Pay that man his $$$ imo. It doesn't make that much of a difference whether you do or don't overall though does it?
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:22 PM   #4682
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

put the rest in, some tiny amount of the time you win, the pots too big not too I think
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #4683
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

prolly would bet more on the flop, enough that i would be able to shove turn (so around ~14-15$) and then not have that problem river.

As played tho i'm shipping the river, not much else to do
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Old 03-14-2012, 05:16 PM   #4684
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Villain is 68/6 over ~50 hands. I feel like flatting the flop is standard cause if he pots the turn he'll give his hand away & I can get away cheaply. His sizing stays roughly the same on the turn though, I could raise to protect from sets trying to draw cheaply but if he's playing a set like this I feel like I can get a river vb off of him so I save it for there.
My thoughts are that it'd be too thin to go for a turn raise & river vb with such a bad flush cause I've no idea what % of the time he has a flush.

Once his sizing stays the same otr I feel I have to value raise as he screams blocking set to me. Sound solid or too thin?


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    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12174792

    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    UTG: $6.11 (122.2 bb)
    MP: $4.89 (97.8 bb)
    CO: $5.05 (101 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.05 (101 bb)
    SB: $4.04 (80.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 8 5 4
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO folds, Hero calls $0.05, SB folds, BB checks

    Flop: ($0.17) 5 9 K (3 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds

    Turn: ($0.37) 3 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15

    River: ($0.67) Q (2 players)
    MP bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, MP calls $0.35




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    Real quick AA one.
    Utg is 26/18, bad reg, straightforward postflop.
    Button is 73/27 over a small sample.
    My thoughts are that I'd love to get it in vs the 73/27 on the flop but if I check I'll have to c/f vs the reg and he might stab like Tx/QQ/draws & it'd be a nightmare to c/c & a gamble to c/r cause I don't know for sure if he just stabs the nuts in this spot or Tx/QQ/draws/nuts.
    Given the above info I thought b/f was weak but ok, so I sized it as such.
    Thoughts?



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      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12174822

      UTG: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
      MP: $4.21 (84.2 bb)
      CO: $4.18 (83.6 bb)
      BTN: $5.79 (115.8 bb)
      Hero (SB): $5.02 (100.4 bb)
      BB: $6.11 (122.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A 4 A
      UTG raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.17, Hero raises to $0.73, BB folds, UTG calls $0.56, BTN calls $0.56

      Flop: ($2.24) T 8 3 (3 players)
      Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $4.34 and is all-in, 2 folds




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      Last one! Am I asking for trouble3betting an unknown here or is this a standard 3bet. Based on my experience/what I've read I think it's standard, just checking.


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        BB: $4.26 (85.2 bb)
        MP: $6.57 (131.4 bb)
        CO: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $12.28 (245.6 bb)
        SB: $1.39 (27.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 7 3 5
        MP folds, CO raises to $0.17, Hero raises to $0.58




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        Old 03-14-2012, 05:25 PM   #4685
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        hand1 is ok but maybe too thin to raise river but whatever...
        hand2. Don't like the b/f option so much but I think the sizing is bad as you give too much info if you bet small when you are ok to give up and bigger when you wanna get it in.
        hand3. It's ok but 3B a lil less in general so you can flat a 4B 100bb deep.
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        Old 03-14-2012, 06:16 PM   #4686
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        hand1 is ok but maybe too thin to raise river but whatever...
        hand2. Don't like the b/f option so much but I think the sizing is bad as you give too much info if you bet small when you are ok to give up and bigger when you wanna get it in.
        hand3. It's ok but 3B a lil less in general so you can flat a 4B 100bb deep.
        Thanks for the quick response.
        I realize that sizing small when you're gonna fold & potting when you're not is super exploitable but I'm not worried about anyone being observant enough to pick up on it at this level, especially a bad reg.
        Given that info would you say b/f is ok?

        Def something to keep in mind as you move up limits though I agree.

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        but 3B a lil less in general so you can flat a 4B 100bb
        Not sure what you mean by "so you can flat a 4b 100b"?
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        Old 03-14-2012, 07:42 PM   #4687
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        i dont like the 3bet in hand 2, would just flat personally, although i'm not sure if thats right things to do
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        Old 03-14-2012, 09:06 PM   #4688
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        i dont like the 3bet in hand 2, would just flat personally, although i'm not sure if thats right things to do
        I've been in some rough spots with overpears in these kinds of spots recently & I'm kind of unsure of the 3b myself now that you mention it.
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        Old 03-14-2012, 09:10 PM   #4689
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        3b is standard, hand plays way better hu than mw
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        Old 03-15-2012, 05:35 AM   #4690
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        ok but other than keeping bb from coming along, do we really think the other 2 are going to fold, from my experience at plo5 f3b is almost never > 0... hard to get people to fold post so I would be calling and trying to hit set or overpair+fd for a big pot

        (again not saying thats right thing to do... just trying to learn)
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        Old 03-15-2012, 06:04 AM   #4691
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        Not sure what you mean by "so you can flat a 4b 100b"?
        Your hand is not a favorite preflop. So you want to put all the money in when you see a good flop.
        If you 3B pot you allow your opponenet to 4B pot :
        openraise : 3.5bb
        3B pot: 12bb
        4B pot: 37bb

        If you 3B smaller :
        openraise :3.5bb
        3B : 9 bb
        4Bpot :28.5 bb

        The second scenario is more profitable as you lose less money when you don't hit, you get all the advantages of the 3B but your play is more profitable when villain 4B.
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        Old 03-15-2012, 06:22 AM   #4692
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

          IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12176672

          CO: $18.70 (93.5 bb)
          BTN: $20 (100 bb)
          SB: $20.10 (100.5 bb)
          BB: $36.44 (182.2 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $38.17 (190.9 bb)
          MP: $10.94 (54.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with K 7 A K
          Hero raises to $0.70, 3 folds, SB raises to $2.30, BB folds, Hero calls $1.60

          Flop: ($4.80) 3 8 T (2 players)
          SB bets $3.60

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          So villain is 13/8/1.2, here he has AAxx always and he never folds in 3bet pots if he cbets, never. Would you fold preflop and what would you do on flop and why?
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          Old 03-15-2012, 06:57 AM   #4693
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          Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

          preflop sucks since your A doesn't help you,

          flop
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          AhKhKs7s35.08% 753,9022,267
          AA**64.92% 1,396,3312,267
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          Old 03-15-2012, 02:47 PM   #4694
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          Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

            Boss, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12187382

            Hero (BTN): $1,291.45 (322.9 bb)
            SB: $2,131.78 (532.9 bb)
            BB: $793.72 (198.4 bb)
            MP: $1,526.70 (381.7 bb)
            CO: $244.08 (61 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K Q A
            MP raises to $11.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $32, 2 folds, MP calls $20.50

            Flop: ($70) Q 3 7 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $56, MP calls $56

            Turn: ($182) 8 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $140, MP raises to $371, Hero calls $231

            River: ($924) J (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero checks

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            Hey lads! It's in swedish kronor so it's like plo50+
            No reads other than he's been quite active and 3betting alot.
            Do we raise turn or ship river when he checks even tho there's probobly alot QJ in his range? Ahh Should probobly bet more on the flop.. Sucks to be deep=/
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            Old 03-15-2012, 06:37 PM   #4695
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            Hmm, there's too many busted draws & not enough 9T in your range to try to get him to fold stuff like QJ/Q8/33/77/88, plus you have good showdown value vs some monster draws like double fd that could've c/r turn.
            Also calling turn is fine, can't see any benefits of 3betting over calling.
            My 2c.
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