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10-28-2009 , 08:39 AM
Villain 28/11/6 only a couple hundred hands. havent seen o noticed him before today.
he really liked to 3bet in position

Absolute Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $190.00
Hero (CO): $119.74
BTN: $99.25
SB: $44.26
BB: $34.96
UTG: $106.97

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with T Q J A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) K 6 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.75, Hero calls $12.75

Turn: ($38.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $38.25, Hero calls $38.25

River: ($114.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $42.25, Hero folds

Final Pot: $114.75
BTN wins $111.75
(Rake: $3.00)
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10-28-2009 , 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shoobri
Personally I would have checked the flop with the spade draw and played pot control 150bb deep. Also on paired boards I'll try and check down my 2 pair hands because villain either has that random 3 or is slow playing a boat, but maybe my approach is too weak.
It's only 110BB deep. For me the spade draw is a reason to bet, not check.

The main reason I posted this is that I just watched one of Bananas PLO videos on CR where a similar situation happened. In that hand Villain also flatted the 3-bet, and CR'd 223s flop. Bananas (holding KKxx) reasoning to get it in was that the there are not really that many FH's in Villains range + AAxx should've 4-bet pf (stack sizes were similar).

However, 33T is really quite different from 223, since TTxx is much more common in villains range than 33xx. Now that I think of it the main reason for me thinking these hands were similar is that in both cases Villain held AAxx which he should have 4-bet pf.
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10-28-2009 , 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xaxa
Villain 28/11/6 only a couple hundred hands. havent seen o noticed him before today.
he really liked to 3bet in position

Absolute Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $190.00
Hero (CO): $119.74
BTN: $99.25
SB: $44.26
BB: $34.96
UTG: $106.97

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with T Q J A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) K 6 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.75, Hero calls $12.75

Turn: ($38.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $38.25, Hero calls $38.25

River: ($114.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $42.25, Hero folds

Final Pot: $114.75
BTN wins $111.75
(Rake: $3.00)
turn call seems not profitable as u wont get paid off mostly when u hit your draw. i prolly just shove the turn as u still have some fold equity vs akxx and ofc lots of nut outs
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10-28-2009 , 10:59 AM
Quote:
turn call seems not profitable as u wont get paid off mostly when u hit your draw. i prolly just shove the turn as u still have some fold equity vs akxx and ofc lots of nut outs
+1, either fold flop or shove turn
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10-28-2009 , 11:38 AM
enemy is 44/10 80 hand not much read

its ok?
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($111)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($189)
CO ($110)
BTN ($206)

Dealt to Hero K 8 4 K

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4

FLOP ($12) J 2 5

SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9

TURN ($30) J 2 5 8

SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB calls $24

RIVER ($78) J 2 5 8 5

SB bets $72.80 (AI), Hero calls $61 (AI)
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10-28-2009 , 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marek_heinz
+1, either fold flop or shove turn
Why not raise flop and shove turn? Esp against someone who 3 bets a lot ip. No way am I playing this one passive. Also, 4 betting pf is a viable option. If you only 4 bet AA oop against this guy you are gonna get owned.
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10-28-2009 , 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevermovingup
Why not raise flop and shove turn? Esp against someone who 3 bets a lot ip. No way am I playing this one passive. Also, 4 betting pf is a viable option. If you only 4 bet AA oop against this guy you are gonna get owned.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevermovingup
Why not raise flop and shove turn? Esp against someone who 3 bets a lot ip. No way am I playing this one passive. Also, 4 betting pf is a viable option. If you only 4 bet AA oop against this guy you are gonna get owned.
okay, that hand was shortly after he seated. i recognized later that he 3bets light in pos.

this hand was like 15mins later vs same villain.
i was obv goin for c/r on flop like the rest?

if u see this hand now any more ideas to the 1st one?



Absolute Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $193.15
Hero (MP): $50.41
CO: $144.05
BTN: $62.95
SB: $52.80
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 9 A 7 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) 8 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($12.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50

River: ($27.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $27.75, Hero calls $27.75

Final Pot: $83.25
Hero shows 9 A 7 8
CO shows A 2 A J
Hero wins $80.25
(Rake: $3.00)
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10-28-2009 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xaxa
okay, that hand was shortly after he seated. i recognized later that he 3bets light in pos.

this hand was like 15mins later vs same villain.
i was obv goin for c/r on flop like the rest?

if u see this hand now any more ideas to the 1st one?



Absolute Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $193.15
Hero (MP): $50.41
CO: $144.05
BTN: $62.95
SB: $52.80
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 9 A 7 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) 8 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($12.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50

River: ($27.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $27.75, Hero calls $27.75

Final Pot: $83.25
Hero shows 9 A 7 8
CO shows A 2 A J
Hero wins $80.25
(Rake: $3.00)
Hmm, not sure how this hand helps w/ your read for playing the 1st hand. FWIW, I think villain played it horribly (bluffing river) b/c he's trying to rep a hand that he cannot have, given that he didn't cbet. Nice call.
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10-28-2009 , 11:20 PM
Standard?
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $23.25
MP: $16.75
Hero (CO): $58.85
BTN: $98.75
SB: $21.15
BB: $13.90

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T T K 7
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, 2 folds, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.90) T 9 A (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50

Turn: ($10.40) 9 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $7.90, BTN calls $7.90, MP raises to $13.40 all in, Hero calls $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

River: ($50.60) 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $33.70, BTN raises to $67.40, Hero calls $8.40 all in
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10-29-2009 , 04:53 AM
yes.

obv always sucks to lose to quads that deep but i can not see how u cant stack off here
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10-29-2009 , 05:29 AM
I'm lost, how do I play this hand? c-bet larger?


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $65.65
BTN: $44.50
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $56.40
MP: $44.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 6 A A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $5.75

Flop: ($17.25) 3 9 T (2 players)
Hero bets $10.00, BTN raises to $37, Hero folds
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10-29-2009 , 05:49 AM
i would bet about 14 and fold to a raise without a strong read
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10-29-2009 , 06:22 AM
I would c/r the flop.
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10-29-2009 , 06:33 AM
why would u c/rai the flop when u flop the nf? dont think this line makes too much sense
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10-29-2009 , 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubixxcube
Standard?
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $23.25
MP: $16.75
Hero (CO): $58.85
BTN: $98.75
SB: $21.15
BB: $13.90

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T T K 7
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, 2 folds, MP calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.90) T 9 A (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50

Turn: ($10.40) 9 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $7.90, BTN calls $7.90, MP raises to $13.40 all in, Hero calls $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

River: ($50.60) 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $33.70, BTN raises to $67.40, Hero calls $8.40 all in
Standard.

MP does not have AA or 99 as he would've check-raised flop against a cbet and a call, especially since he's only got a 50BB stack behind him. So no need to worry about him. He probably has T9 or A9, or even just trip 9s.

If button has AA he sure played it weird, not 3betting preflop, then not raising flop despite all the possible straight draws centred around T9x, but I guess he could. If he has 99 it's also a bit passive on the flop, but again I guess he could. Maybe on the flop he thought you're cbetting air and wants to trap with bottom set.

Still, I don't see any point in this hand where you can fold here. He might've quads, but he might just as likely to have A9 here given the flop play. When he raised you all in on the river it smells like quads, but it's not like you're folding to $8 more to win like $130 here.
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10-29-2009 , 07:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shoobri
I'm lost, how do I play this hand? c-bet larger?


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $65.65
BTN: $44.50
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $56.40
MP: $44.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 6 A A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $5.75

Flop: ($17.25) 3 9 T (2 players)
Hero bets $10.00, BTN raises to $37, Hero folds
Fold. He only has $7 behind and there's nothing you can do with the dry ace here.

I'd cbet $15 instead of $10 though. You're pretty much counting on your cbet to have FE with the dry ace here, so why bet so weakly?
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10-29-2009 , 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by realmaniac
why would u c/rai the flop when u flop the nf? dont think this line makes too much sense
I would c/r that flop with the nut flush a ton.
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10-29-2009 , 10:02 PM
standard? villian was very aggro, even for hu. he lost a big pot a couple hands before so he might be tilted.

IPoker Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BB: $83.99
Hero (BTN/SB): $90.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 T 7
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 4 3 3 (2 players)
BB bets $9.00, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($27.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $27.00, Hero raises to $77.25
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10-30-2009 , 02:01 PM
vs a 53/2/2.4 over 100 hands


Poker Stars $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $104.95
SB: $127.95
BB: $35.35
Hero (UTG): $108.65
MP: $58.65
CO: $59.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with J Q 9 K
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($11.00) K 4 J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10.45, CO raises to $41.80, BB folds, Hero folds

Should I be happy to get it in here? I'm less worried about top two sets due to combinatorics, but I'm drawing slim to 44+redraws. Unfortunately I dont have any reads on what kind of ranges he's jamming on this flop, but he has raised or folded to all cbets he's seen so far, no calls.
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10-30-2009 , 02:24 PM
^def get it in versus a 60bb stack.
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10-30-2009 , 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaBalla
^def get it in versus a 60bb stack.
i wanted to disagree, but then i saw he has top 2.
lol snapallin
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10-30-2009 , 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpoff
standard? villian was very aggro, even for hu. he lost a big pot a couple hands before so he might be tilted.

IPoker Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BB: $83.99
Hero (BTN/SB): $90.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 T 7
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 4 3 3 (2 players)
BB bets $9.00, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($27.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $27.00, Hero raises to $77.25

This depends a lot on reads, but I like the turn raise.

This is the kind of spot where as long as both your flush draws are live, you have around 50% equity against any hand, be it trip 3s or a bare overpair, and it's nice because a bare overpair will fold. You're crushed by the overpair + better flush draw and trips + better flush draw obviously. So it basically depends on whether you think he'll fire that second barrel with just a bare overpair, or total air, or not, because the fold equity here is where most of your equity comes from. You said he's hyper aggressive even HU, so raise/shoving this turn against this particular villain is the obvious play here.
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10-30-2009 , 02:47 PM
standard c/f on turn?

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UTG ($4.73)
MP ($4.16)
CO ($8.42)
Button ($5)
SB ($5.18)
Hero (BB) ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 7, 5, 4
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.22) 4, 8, J (4 players)
Hero bets $0.15, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.55, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.32) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.10, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.32 | Rake: $0.08

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $1.24
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10-30-2009 , 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpoff
standard? villian was very aggro, even for hu. he lost a big pot a couple hands before so he might be tilted.

IPoker Network $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BB: $83.99
Hero (BTN/SB): $90.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 T 7
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 4 3 3 (2 players)
BB bets $9.00, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($27.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $27.00, Hero raises to $77.25
yeah i think it's ok
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10-30-2009 , 02:49 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $54.90
CO: $98.75
BTN: $207.55
SB: $44.65
BB: $21.65
Hero (UTG): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with J Q 9 A
Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 9 8 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4, SB calls $4

Turn: ($17.75) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $38.90 all in, Hero calls $26.40

River: ($95.55) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

standard bet/call on the turn right?
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