envoy,
cr and donkbet % are pretty meaningless with these small samples.
lets say someone has a real sonkbet of 10%. in 20 observed hands he maybe sees the flop as preflop caller once or twice. out of these 2 occasions he either donks or doesnt. the value will be 0, 50 or 100%. absolutely useless.
in general you seem to think about the right kind of things just be sure to not overvalue stats from tiny samples.
other than that i agree with leo on both aa hands.
i have a hand from a deep ante table against a huge aggro whale. at least preflop hes a maniac. 78/31 with 20 3bet. he opened 59% from the CO out of 17 occasions.
for postflop i dont have a decent read but he doesnt seem as crazy.
the flush draw bricked but of course random T8 and KT got there. im pretty lost and folding somehow feels insanely weak.
on the other hand ive come to the conclusion that im absolutely terrible at getting a grasp on relative hand strenghts in plo. ie i spew a lot.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($145)
BB ($14.66)
CO ($62.79)
BTN ($22.04)
BTN antes $0.05
Hero antes $0.05
BB antes $0.05
CO antes $0.05
Dealt to Hero J K 9 9
CO raises to $1.05, fold, Hero calls $0.95, fold
FLOP ($2.55) 2 9 Q
Hero checks, CO bets $1.83, Hero raises to $7.34, CO calls $5.51
TURN ($17.23) 2 9 Q 4
Hero bets $14.36, CO calls $14.36
RIVER ($45.95) 2 9 Q 4 J
Hero checks, CO bets $33.71 (and leaves 6.28 behind, why doesnt he just shove?), Hero??
and i know this isnt the right thread but what is going on with all these people winning heaps that have the weirdest preflop stats at plo 25? theres this dude playing 40/15ish, even openlimping sometimes and winning at an absurd rate over a decent sample.
2% pfr is exactly aces. doesnt necessarily mean that he raises all aces and nothing else. could be better half of aces and big, good rundowns.
either way you are in very bad shape otf. raise is def spew. tbh i might just cf.
envoy,
cr and donkbet % are pretty meaningless with these small samples.
lets say someone has a real sonkbet of 10%. in 20 observed hands he maybe sees the flop as preflop caller once or twice. out of these 2 occasions he either donks or doesnt. the value will be 0, 50 or 100%. absolutely useless.
in general you seem to think about the right kind of things just be sure to not overvalue stats from tiny samples.
other than that i agree with leo on both aa hands.
i have a hand from a deep ante table against a huge aggro whale. at least preflop hes a maniac. 78/31 with 20 3bet. he opened 59% from the CO out of 17 occasions.
for postflop i dont have a decent read but he doesnt seem as crazy.
the flush draw bricked but of course random T8 and KT got there. im pretty lost and folding somehow feels insanely weak.
on the other hand ive come to the conclusion that im absolutely terrible at getting a grasp on relative hand strenghts in plo. ie i spew a lot.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($145)
BB ($14.66)
CO ($62.79)
BTN ($22.04)
BTN antes $0.05
Hero antes $0.05
BB antes $0.05
CO antes $0.05
Dealt to Hero J K 9 9
CO raises to $1.05, fold, Hero calls $0.95, fold
FLOP ($2.55) 2 9 Q
Hero checks, CO bets $1.83, Hero raises to $7.34, CO calls $5.51
TURN ($17.23) 2 9 Q 4
Hero bets $14.36, CO calls $14.36
RIVER ($45.95) 2 9 Q 4 J
Hero checks, CO bets $33.71 (and leaves 6.28 behind, why doesnt he just shove?), Hero??
and i know this isnt the right thread but what is going on with all these people winning heaps that have the weirdest preflop stats at plo 25? theres this dude playing 40/15ish, even openlimping sometimes and winning at an absurd rate over a decent sample.
I'll take a stab seeing as no one answered.
Is his range too busted draw/nuts heavy to bet the river iyo?
We could target Q9/22/QJ with a bet, or c/c vs busted JT & hearts & possibly some other random crap that he flat the flop with (backdoor draws etc)
What was your plan when you checked?
Given his pf craziness you could possibly get away with a c/c & go with the variance when he has the goods, I dunno if I'd have the balls to pull off a c/c here though.
Donker is 79/12, CO is 20/2. Not sure how much I like my flop call seeing as we're 3 ways cause I don't have nut straight draws, but I figured his donking range was mostly value like all 2p & sets, cause passive's check call their draws mostly in my experience. Sound solid?
Once I hit that turn I think I have to stack given his stack size & stats, although his sizing coupled with his passive stats kinda scared me but I figured I had to go with it cause he doesn't have that much 36 that he'd play like this. Thoughts?
Donker is 79/12, CO is 20/2. Not sure how much I like my flop call seeing as we're 3 ways cause I don't have nut straight draws, but I figured his donking range was mostly value like all 2p & sets, cause passive's check call their draws mostly in my experience. Sound solid?
Once I hit that turn I think I have to stack given his stack size & stats, although his sizing coupled with his passive stats kinda scared me but I figured I had to go with it cause he doesn't have that much 36 that he'd play like this. Thoughts?
envoy,
cr and donkbet % are pretty meaningless with these small samples.
lets say someone has a real sonkbet of 10%. in 20 observed hands he maybe sees the flop as preflop caller once or twice. out of these 2 occasions he either donks or doesnt. the value will be 0, 50 or 100%. absolutely useless.
in general you seem to think about the right kind of things just be sure to not overvalue stats from tiny samples.
other than that i agree with leo on both aa hands.
i have a hand from a deep ante table against a huge aggro whale. at least preflop hes a maniac. 78/31 with 20 3bet. he opened 59% from the CO out of 17 occasions.
for postflop i dont have a decent read but he doesnt seem as crazy.
the flush draw bricked but of course random T8 and KT got there. im pretty lost and folding somehow feels insanely weak.
on the other hand ive come to the conclusion that im absolutely terrible at getting a grasp on relative hand strenghts in plo. ie i spew a lot.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($145)
BB ($14.66)
CO ($62.79)
BTN ($22.04)
BTN antes $0.05
Hero antes $0.05
BB antes $0.05
CO antes $0.05
Dealt to Hero J K 9 9
CO raises to $1.05, fold, Hero calls $0.95, fold
FLOP ($2.55) 2 9 Q
Hero checks, CO bets $1.83, Hero raises to $7.34, CO calls $5.51
TURN ($17.23) 2 9 Q 4
Hero bets $14.36, CO calls $14.36
RIVER ($45.95) 2 9 Q 4 J
Hero checks, CO bets $33.71 (and leaves 6.28 behind, why doesnt he just shove?), Hero??
and i know this isnt the right thread but what is going on with all these people winning heaps that have the weirdest preflop stats at plo 25? theres this dude playing 40/15ish, even openlimping sometimes and winning at an absurd rate over a decent sample.
Open limping with dry big pairs is fairly standard if you have aggro players behind you as they play poorly OOP in 3b pots.
Check out Ivey's preflop stats from FTP. It is possible to play loose passive pre and win as Omaha is a post flop game.
In the actual hand fold pre. As played I make a crying call on the river.
Last edited by PLOMonkey; 02-24-2012 at 08:10 AM.
Reason: i cnat sphell
I guess I call. You got 4 outs to the nuts, and you can get some info on him. Actually, with quick math, it seems like you're actually committed to call, even if you think he always has 88 or 85. You make the nuts on the turn a little less than 10% of the time. You need to put in $5.50 with the potential to win $66. Call, see a turn and his actions.
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