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Old 01-29-2012, 05:41 AM   #4396
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Old 01-29-2012, 08:07 AM   #4397
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Old 01-29-2012, 11:42 AM   #4398
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

This hand standard to get in on this flop right? Felt that if he has some wrap or pair plus oesd im blocking some of his outs right so thats why i got this in. Is my thinking right on this? Thanks in advance


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    CO: $3.23 (32.3 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $15.70 (157 bb)
    BB: $11.78 (117.8 bb)
    UTG: $12.81 (128.1 bb)
    MP: $12.98 (129.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J K J K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.15, BB folds, BTN calls $0.80

    Flop: ($2.40) Q 9 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.60, BTN raises to $7.08, Hero raises to $12.56, BTN calls $1.77 and is all-in

    Turn: ($20.10) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($20.10) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    Old 01-29-2012, 12:18 PM   #4399
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    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    ^Yeah I'd pretty much always get that in. Against naked top two you're almost flipping, and you're only really in bad shape against a set.

    You say that you're blocking some of us his outs; that's a good and bad thing. It means he's more likely to have a made hand, but it also means when he does get it in with a draw our equity is pretty damn good.
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    Old 01-29-2012, 12:33 PM   #4400
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    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    Cool he showed up with top 2 but like you say im never in bad shape against that so i was happy to get this in.
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    Old 01-29-2012, 03:10 PM   #4401
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    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    $0.05/$0.10 Blinds Pot Limit Omaha - *** 29 01 2012 11:54:31
    Table Caserta (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 2
    Seat 4: mymomissick1 ( $3.50 )
    Seat 6: f_u_luck ( $10.61 )
    f_u_luck posts small blind [$0.05]
    mymomissick1 posts big blind [$0.10]
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to f_u_luck [ 3, 3, 9, 5 ]
    f_u_luck raises [$0.15]
    mymomissick1 calls [$0.10]
    ** Dealing flop ** [ 6, 4, 2 ]
    mymomissick1 checks
    f_u_luck bets [$0.30]
    mymomissick1 calls [$0.30]
    ** Dealing turn ** [ J ]
    mymomissick1 checks
    f_u_luck bets [$0.75]
    mymomissick1 calls [$0.75]
    ** Dealing river ** [ 7 ]
    mymomissick1 checks
    f_u_luck bets [$2.50]
    mymomissick1 calls [$2.25]
    ** Summary **
    mymomissick1 shows [ 9, 8, J, 5 ]
    mymomissick1 collected [ $6.65 ]



    What do you think of villain's play here? He had a gutter + two BDFDs on flop, then a gutter + top pair on turn. I have been playing aggressive preflop but relatively straightforward postflop with probably only like 55-60% cbet.

    Only asking because at first I was annoyed but then I wondered what I would have done in his situation.
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    Old 01-30-2012, 01:20 PM   #4402
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    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    Doing some HEM review so these hands are not from same session nor tables.

    Appreciate any help I can get thx



    Hand 1: Villain is 32/15, fold to cbet 32%

    Is the turn a check and then c/f non pairing rivers?

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      SB: $20 (100 bb)
      BB: $36.08 (180.4 bb)
      MP: $22.34 (111.7 bb)
      Hero (CO): $25.73 (128.7 bb)
      BTN: $36.42 (182.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A T 9
      MP raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.40, 3 folds, MP calls $1.70

      Flop: ($5.10) A J 7 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $3.82, MP calls $3.82

      Turn: ($12.74) 6 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $6.37, MP raises to $16.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.75

      River: ($44.98) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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      Hand 2:
      CO 32/22/6.7
      BB 70/34/13.9
      I don't have a 4B stat and even tho BB is super lag, his 4b range is most def toptop % hands (at least that's what I thought during hand). When CO flats the 4b, I put him on KKxx or rundowns.

      This is standard to get it in on flop right?


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        UTG: $45.43 (227.2 bb)
        MP: $16.86 (84.3 bb)
        Hero (CO): $20 (100 bb)
        BTN: $22.44 (112.2 bb)
        SB: $21.60 (108 bb)
        BB: $9.28 (46.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 J 6 T
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN raises to $1.80, SB calls $1.70, BB raises to $7.90, Hero calls $7.20, BTN calls $6.10, SB folds

        Flop: ($25.50) 7 4 J (3 players)
        BB bets $1.38, Hero raises to $12.10 and is all-in, BTN calls $12.10

        Turn: ($51.08) Q (3 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($51.08) 6 (3 players, 1 is all-in)

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        Old 01-30-2012, 03:06 PM   #4403
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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          SB: $9.84 (39.4 bb)
          BB: $20 (80 bb)
          UTG: $80.41 (321.6 bb)
          MP: $28.79 (115.2 bb)
          CO: $50.22 (200.9 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $28.73 (114.9 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 J Q 6
          UTG folds, MP raises to $0.85, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP raises to $7.10, Hero calls $4.85

          Flop: ($14.55) 7 4 9 (2 players)
          MP bets $13.83, Hero raises to $21.63

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          Old 01-30-2012, 05:57 PM   #4404
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          Originally Posted by Ankimo View Post
          Doing some HEM review so these hands are not from same session nor tables.

          Appreciate any help I can get thx



          Hand 1: Villain is 32/15, fold to cbet 32%

          Is the turn a check and then c/f non pairing rivers?

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            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11740562

            SB: $20 (100 bb)
            BB: $36.08 (180.4 bb)
            MP: $22.34 (111.7 bb)
            Hero (CO): $25.73 (128.7 bb)
            BTN: $36.42 (182.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with A A T 9
            MP raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.40, 3 folds, MP calls $1.70

            Flop: ($5.10) A J 7 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $3.82, MP calls $3.82

            Turn: ($12.74) 6 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $6.37, MP raises to $16.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.75

            River: ($44.98) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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            Hand 2:
            CO 32/22/6.7
            BB 70/34/13.9
            I don't have a 4B stat and even tho BB is super lag, his 4b range is most def toptop % hands (at least that's what I thought during hand). When CO flats the 4b, I put him on KKxx or rundowns.

            This is standard to get it in on flop right?


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              UTG: $45.43 (227.2 bb)
              MP: $16.86 (84.3 bb)
              Hero (CO): $20 (100 bb)
              BTN: $22.44 (112.2 bb)
              SB: $21.60 (108 bb)
              BB: $9.28 (46.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 J 6 T
              2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN raises to $1.80, SB calls $1.70, BB raises to $7.90, Hero calls $7.20, BTN calls $6.10, SB folds

              Flop: ($25.50) 7 4 J (3 players)
              BB bets $1.38, Hero raises to $12.10 and is all-in, BTN calls $12.10

              Turn: ($51.08) Q (3 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($51.08) 6 (3 players, 1 is all-in)

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              Hand one is a check back on the turn & fold un paired rivers as you said. I think that's a pretty standard line.
              Also you can pot the flop, he's not going anywhere for an extra buck on this flop.

              Hand 2, I think folding to the 4b is ok. You only have 70c invested in the pot & button is saying he has a hand. (Do you have his 3b stats?)
              It's a standard get it on otf cause you've 1/2 your stack invested & haz ok equity I guess.
              I'm not sure how solid my advice on hand two is as I haven't been playing omaha long (online), so take it fwiw!
              I think you'd find this handy btw:
              http://www.propokertools.com/simulations



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                SB: $9.84 (39.4 bb)
                BB: $20 (80 bb)
                UTG: $80.41 (321.6 bb)
                MP: $28.79 (115.2 bb)
                CO: $50.22 (200.9 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $28.73 (114.9 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 J Q 6
                UTG folds, MP raises to $0.85, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP raises to $7.10, Hero calls $4.85

                Flop: ($14.55) 7 4 9 (2 players)
                MP bets $13.83, Hero raises to $21.63

                Dunno about pre, try messing around with the eq calc I posted above.
                Looks like spew to me on the flop though. No fold equity (demonstrated by his flop sizing)=your just flipping with and oesd that has dirty outs.
                What are your thoughts on the hand?
                Try to avoid posting a hand with no stats or thoughts in the future, it hinders both parties.
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                Old 01-30-2012, 07:18 PM   #4405
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                Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

                Two quick ones:

                Hand #1:

                Villain is unknown, he just sat:
                I messed around in poker pro tools with ranges & was very surprised to see how badly I was doing vs A2/A3, I was getting like 20%, I'm destroyed by sets & straights so I think this could be a b/f small to take down the pot vs hands like JJ/QQ/KK despite the small spr?
                What do you think?


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                  CO: $8.52 (426 bb)
                  BTN: $2.25 (112.5 bb)
                  SB: $0.92 (46 bb)
                  Hero (BB): $3.20 (160 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q T T
                  CO folds, BTN raises to $0.07, SB calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.28, BTN calls $0.21, SB folds

                  Flop: ($0.63) 3 A 2 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero folds




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                  Hand #2:

                  Villain is 27/16 over ~50 hands. I think this line is standard in these spots.
                  Betting big for value otf+turn, betting slightly small to allow myself some room to fold on the river & also to encourage a call from lower flushes that might be scared of the board pairing.



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                    CO: $5.90 (295 bb)
                    Hero (BTN): $2.99 (149.5 bb)
                    SB: $4.64 (232 bb)
                    BB: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
                    UTG: $21.24 (1,062 bb)
                    MP: $4.77 (238.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T A 4
                    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

                    Flop: ($0.13) 6 9 Q (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, BB calls $0.13

                    Turn: ($0.39) Q (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.38, BB calls $0.38

                    River: ($1.15) 8 (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $1.52 and is all-in, Hero folds




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                    Old 01-30-2012, 11:46 PM   #4406
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                    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

                    Quick graph check required. Here's today:


                    Also see graphs in this post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=22283

                    Now here's the thing. It looks like there's two completely separate players on my graph.

                    GOOD:
                    * Above, hands 0 - 200, and 320-500
                    * "Today", all hands
                    * "Yesterday", hands 550-1800

                    BAD:
                    * Above, hands 200-300, 600-end
                    * "Yesterday" hands 0-500

                    Just looking at the graphs you might think I have an A-game and a B-game and I'm swapping between them from time to time. But when I'm actually playing I can detect no difference. I realise when I'm in a "bad" period because all my lines are trending down. But I still think carefully about my actions and I don't think I'm doing anything differently then to the good period.

                    Do you think the graphs indicate a subtle problem, or is this just normal flow of getting runs of good cards and bad cards? Does everyone else's graph have similar demarcations of such contrast?
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                    Old 01-31-2012, 05:09 AM   #4407
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                    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by Envoy222 View Post
                    Two quick ones:

                    Hand #1:

                    Villain is unknown, he just sat:
                    I messed around in poker pro tools with ranges & was very surprised to see how badly I was doing vs A2/A3, I was getting like 20%, I'm destroyed by sets & straights so I think this could be a b/f small to take down the pot vs hands like JJ/QQ/KK despite the small spr?
                    What do you think?


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                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11741502

                      CO: $8.52 (426 bb)
                      BTN: $2.25 (112.5 bb)
                      SB: $0.92 (46 bb)
                      Hero (BB): $3.20 (160 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q T T
                      CO folds, BTN raises to $0.07, SB calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.28, BTN calls $0.21, SB folds

                      Flop: ($0.63) 3 A 2 (2 players)
                      Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero folds




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                      Hand #2:

                      Villain is 27/16 over ~50 hands. I think this line is standard in these spots.
                      Betting big for value otf+turn, betting slightly small to allow myself some room to fold on the river & also to encourage a call from lower flushes that might be scared of the board pairing.



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                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11741522

                        CO: $5.90 (295 bb)
                        Hero (BTN): $2.99 (149.5 bb)
                        SB: $4.64 (232 bb)
                        BB: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
                        UTG: $21.24 (1,062 bb)
                        MP: $4.77 (238.5 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T A 4
                        3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

                        Flop: ($0.13) 6 9 Q (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, BB calls $0.13

                        Turn: ($0.39) Q (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.38, BB calls $0.38

                        River: ($1.15) 8 (2 players)
                        BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $1.52 and is all-in, Hero folds




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                        your sizings are way to big
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                        Old 01-31-2012, 07:16 AM   #4408
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                        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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                        Do you think the graphs indicate a subtle problem, or is this just normal flow of getting runs of good cards and bad cards?
                        Usually normal flow.
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                        Villain is 38/12 over a small sample, I think this is a standard ship given stack size, pot size & player type.
                        What if we didn't have the gutshot?



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                          MP: $1.31 (65.5 bb)
                          CO: $2 (100 bb)
                          Hero (BTN): $2.51 (125.5 bb)
                          SB: $0.85 (42.5 bb)
                          BB: $2.26 (113 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 T A J
                          2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

                          Flop: ($0.21) A K 9 (3 players)
                          SB bets $0.20




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                          Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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                          Villain is 38/12 over a small sample, I think this is a standard ship given stack size, pot size & player type.
                          What if we didn't have the gutshot?



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                            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11755152

                            MP: $1.31 (65.5 bb)
                            CO: $2 (100 bb)
                            Hero (BTN): $2.51 (125.5 bb)
                            SB: $0.85 (42.5 bb)
                            BB: $2.26 (113 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 T A J
                            2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

                            Flop: ($0.21) A K 9 (3 players)
                            SB bets $0.20




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                            Thanks!
                            I think it's better to look at this stats from the blinds as opposed to overall vpip/pfr. I know your sample size is small but do you have a donk vs pfr %?

                            Without the gs, I'd say fold for sure. I think it's a toss whether you ship here but one thing for shoving is, it's a fairly dry board so why is he donking pot instead of check shoving? Mehh...ship it..you also have bdfd
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