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06-21-2012 , 05:21 AM
Not real good at understanding slowplaying spots, and I didnt know what to put him on since I seemed to have the entire deck in my hand. should I be raising turn?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $15.87
Hero (MP): $11.75
CO: $10.00
BTN: $9.84
SB: $2.84
BB: $7.33

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A Q A 9
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 9 Q A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.44, Hero calls $2.44

River: ($7.43) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.30, UTG calls $2.70
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06-21-2012 , 06:50 AM
checking flop is sick, having all the pairing cards makes it only worse, imo.
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06-21-2012 , 07:24 AM
I assume you mean bad-sick. Thanks for answering, but any chance you can elaborate please?


Heres me getting owned again, only 20 hands on vilian but seems loose and is playing 80-30


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1802945
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UTG: $3.51
Hero (CO): $26.42
BTN: $6.91
SB: $10.00
BB: $18.40

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T K 9 Q
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.25) Q J 6 (4 players)
BB bets $0.78, UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN folds, BB calls $1.02

Turn: ($4.85) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $1.62, Hero calls $1.62

River: ($8.09) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB raises to $14.68 all in, Hero folds

Am I right if I say mistakes =

pre--3-bet
turn- shove
river-- ??
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06-21-2012 , 09:02 AM
First hand, why checking is really bad:
-Flop is very wet
-Flop is high cards
-You're blocking your full house outs

Combine these, and you give his draws a lot of free cards, turn rarely gives him a good hand that you still beat (only set of 7s or smaller), and you miss a ****load of value by checking your set. No ****ing point.

2nd hand, 3bet pre, shove turn, probably call river.
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06-21-2012 , 02:51 PM
The 3-bettor is a tight regular running at 19/14 with a 3-bet of 5 (also from late pos) over 6753 hands. MP is a bad LAG running at 53/25 with a 4-bet of 2 over 398 hands. UTG is a weak player, playing 43/16 over 268 hands.
Are you cold calling this preflop?

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $105.40
SB: $124.30
Hero (BB): $108.75
UTG: $76.20
MP: $214.85
CO: $100.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has 6 T 9 8

UTG calls $1.00, MP raises to $5.00, CO raises to $18.00, fold, Hero?
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06-21-2012 , 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $15.87
Hero (MP): $11.75
CO: $10.00
BTN: $9.84
SB: $2.84
BB: $7.33

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A Q A 9
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 9 Q A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.44, Hero calls $2.44


River: ($7.43) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.30, UTG calls $2.70


(srsly, shove turn!!!)
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06-21-2012 , 08:22 PM
lol...I know I know. Im terrible

Thanks a lot Jabonator and lamb!
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06-22-2012 , 03:32 AM
its definately a shvoe if you DONT have the Ah, but if its barrely its not all taht bad given the turns a blank, if 6 is 78/t def a shove
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06-22-2012 , 04:43 PM
I have crappy kings on the button, MP obviousy has aces and CO could have any four cards. Is it a mistake to flatcall the 3 bet in order to get 350 bb in preflop with a 6 bet?



    On Game, $0.25/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $106 (424 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG: $25 (100 bb)
    MP: $8.25 (33 bb)
    CO: $156.86 (627.4 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $88.03 (352.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K 5 7
    UTG folds, MP raises to $1, CO raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $3.25, MP raises to $8.25 and is all-in, CO raises to $32, Hero raises to $88.03 and is all-in, BB folds, CO calls $56.03





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    06-22-2012 , 07:38 PM
    bad KK hand above is a terrible line. Fold to the 3b which can't be just AAxx since he's only got 33 bb. Bottomline, your hand is terrible, and you have not justified why CO doesn't have a good range. I mean if CO has a range of 50% of hands go ahead and get it in then.
    Trip aces hand above is super fishy. Bet flop, bet/raise turn.
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    06-22-2012 , 07:53 PM
    not sure about this hand is folding flop better mutliway?
    and what about calling turn?sucks i think but not sure

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1803977
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    Hero (CO): $50.59
    BTN: $228.20
    SB: $52.52
    BB: $50.00
    UTG: $50.46
    MP: $27.99

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K Q 9 T
    UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

    Flop: ($3.00) T 5 3 (6 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2.86, MP folds, Hero calls $2.86, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds

    Turn: ($8.72) 9 (2 players)
    UTG bets $8.33, Hero raises to $33.32, UTG calls $24.99

    River: ($75.36) 4 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $13.91 all in, UTG calls $13.78 all in

    also this hand standard isn´t it? or shove or fold turn or river?

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1804004
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    BTN: $49.25
    SB: $105.64
    Hero (BB): $111.38
    UTG: $40.08
    MP: $50.00
    CO: $30.00

    CO posts a big blind ($0.50)

    Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is BB with 8 7 9 6
    2 folds, CO checks, BTN raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75

    Flop: ($9.00) 4 9 7 (4 players)
    SB bets $3, Hero raises to $16.50, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $13.50

    Turn: ($42.00) T (2 players)
    SB bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

    River: ($73.00) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $70.50, Hero calls $70.50

    Last edited by yoyoplo; 06-22-2012 at 08:09 PM.
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    06-23-2012 , 08:27 AM
    Hand 1 yoyoplo: preflop is table-dependent, I maybe raise to isolate the limpers and realise my edge 3-4-way better than 6-way (as a NLHE convert, I'm not a fan of limping at all, though it may be wrong), wp postflop.

    Hand 2: flat pre, pot flop, pot turn - half the deck is scary for you.
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    06-23-2012 , 12:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MadScientist
    bad KK hand above is a terrible line. Fold to the 3b which can't be just AAxx since he's only got 33 bb. Bottomline, your hand is terrible, and you have not justified why CO doesn't have a good range. I mean if CO has a range of 50% of hands go ahead and get it in then.
    Thanks for the advice!

    Despite my hand reading turned out to be good it was a bad play.
    Main pot is 114 bb and I had 21% so a loss of 9bb.
    Side pot is 638 bb with 58% so a profit of 49 bb.
    Net profit of 49 -9 -rake or 31 bb while risking 350bb.

    But the main mistake is that by loosing the hand i lost the very profitable position to the left of a maniac with 350bb effective stacks.
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    06-24-2012 , 06:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yoyoplo
    not sure about this hand is folding flop better mutliway?
    and what about calling turn?sucks i think but not sure

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1803977
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    Hero (CO): $50.59
    BTN: $228.20
    SB: $52.52
    BB: $50.00
    UTG: $50.46
    MP: $27.99

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K Q 9 T
    UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

    Flop: ($3.00) T 5 3 (6 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2.86, MP folds, Hero calls $2.86, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds

    Turn: ($8.72) 9 (2 players)
    UTG bets $8.33, Hero raises to $33.32, UTG calls $24.99

    River: ($75.36) 4 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $13.91 all in, UTG calls $13.78 all in

    also this hand standard isn´t it? or shove or fold turn or river?

    Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1804004
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    BTN: $49.25
    SB: $105.64
    Hero (BB): $111.38
    UTG: $40.08
    MP: $50.00
    CO: $30.00

    CO posts a big blind ($0.50)

    Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is BB with 8 7 9 6
    2 folds, CO checks, BTN raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75

    Flop: ($9.00) 4 9 7 (4 players)
    SB bets $3, Hero raises to $16.50, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $13.50

    Turn: ($42.00) T (2 players)
    SB bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

    River: ($73.00) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $70.50, Hero calls $70.50
    1st hand: Limping pre is fine, I would raise if the hand was suited. Fold to flop bet, chance is too high someone have a better hand with so many players in the hand.

    2nd hand: Just call on the flop. The hands that will get it in with you are sets, combodraws often with the A flush draw and you want better equities against those hands to push this, especially multiway.
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    06-24-2012 , 01:27 PM
    I NEVER get it in ok in these pots. I know that when I am called on the flop I have less than <20% equity most of the time, but I assume that I will pick up the pot enough of the time and get it in 60/40 every once in a while. This would make shoving ok as I only need to win roughly 1/3 of the time. Am I wrong or just running horrendous (I'm talking probably about 25 straight times in these big multi pots with AAxx getting it in like 12%)

      IPoker, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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      UTG: $192 (96 bb)
      MP: $663.33 (331.7 bb)
      CO: $545.55 (272.8 bb)
      BTN: $222.50 (111.3 bb)
      Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
      BB: $200 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K 9 A
      UTG raises to $7, MP calls $7, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7, Hero raises to $44, BB folds, UTG calls $37, MP calls $37, CO calls $37, BTN folds

      Flop: ($185) 5 3 8 (4 players)
      Hero bets $156 and is all-in, UTG folds, MP raises to $619.33 and is all-in, CO folds

      Turn: ($497) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($497) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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      06-24-2012 , 01:33 PM
      Here's another in the same vein just played

        IPoker, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13312002

        MP: $192 (96 bb)
        CO: $663.33 (331.7 bb)
        BTN: $573.55 (286.8 bb)
        SB: $98.75 (49.4 bb)
        Hero (BB): $243.98 (122 bb)
        UTG: $200 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with A A Q 4
        3 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $28, BTN calls $21, SB calls $21

        Flop: ($84) 9 2 7 (3 players)
        SB bets $70.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $70.75, BTN folds

        Turn: ($225.50) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($225.50) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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        06-24-2012 , 01:34 PM
        not sure why results didnt post

        Hand 1: called by mid rundown type with 2pr

        Hand 2: 99
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        06-24-2012 , 01:56 PM
        Two quick preflop checkups - I'm new to plo and don't always have a good idea when to call some 3 and 4bets.

        Hand 1: button is a 40/9 passive fish, SB is a 100 vpip loose passive. Should I be calling the 3bet?

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        SB ($6.23)
        BB ($6.36)
        UTG ($3.93)
        UTG+1 ($6.58)
        Hero ($4.16)
        BTN ($3.22)

        Dealt to Hero Q 2 K T

        fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN raises to $0.42, SB calls $0.40, fold, Hero ?

        Hand 2: button is a nitty reg, has been stealing a decent amount otb although nothing out of the line-ish. I have 3bet him a few times already, and haven't seen him 4betting before (small sample though). What do I do when I get 4bet?

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        BB ($3.28)
        UTG ($5.98)
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        BTN ($3.30)

        Dealt to Hero K 7 7 K

        UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.18, Hero raises to $0.58, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.82, Hero ??
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        06-24-2012 , 04:44 PM
        i stacked villan on the first hand with KKvsAA (he had AA) called me fish and might be tilted... this is 4-5 hands later


          Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
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          BB: $123.50 (123.5 bb)
          Hero (SB): $175.50 (175.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with T J 4 A
          Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

          Flop: ($18) A 9 3 (2 players)
          BB bets $12.52, Hero calls $12.52

          Turn: ($43.04) 3 (2 players)
          BB bets $28, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $43.04 pot ($0.50 rake)
          Final Board: A 9 3 3
          BB mucked and won $42.54 ($21.02 net)
          Hero mucked T J 4 A and lost (-$21.52 net)



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          ok?
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          06-25-2012 , 12:13 AM
          meh depends his thoguhts on you, or if you know if hes barrely on A hi boards, id probabaly call once more but im a fish hu
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          06-25-2012 , 04:32 AM
          Hu4, I think it's fine. Wait for a better spot. If you had AK** I could argue for another call but as is you could be drawing very thin.
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          06-25-2012 , 05:27 AM
          @mikedeck22: flat call preflop to setmine, (check/)fold the flop both times as these are bad AA and multiway they're not good if unimproved.

          @daiquiri: in hand 1 limp preflop given the two loose passives behind you, I also don't like to call the 3bet here as flops giving you equity (AJ*, diamonds) also often give enough equity to your opps too and your FD is likely to be dominated; in hand 2 flat preflop, fold to the 4bet, you're too shallow to have good implied odds and again your FDs can be dominated.
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          06-25-2012 , 05:41 AM
          Both CO and BB are preflop maniacs, I have no reads on their postflop. What should my flop sizing be? Should I shove this turn? Thanks!

          €0.25/0.5 PLO, 4 players

          SB €20
          BB €198.59
          CO €114.4
          Hero (BTN) €60.65
          K3K2

          CO raises to €1.75, Hero 3bets to €6, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls

          Flop (€18.25, 3 players) J54

          BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets €10, BB calls, CO calls

          Turn (€48.25, 3 players) 8

          BB checks, CO checks, Hero (€44.65 left)?
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          06-25-2012 , 08:23 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by coon74
          @daiquiri: in hand 1 limp preflop given the two loose passives behind you, I also don't like to call the 3bet here as flops giving you equity (AJ*, diamonds) also often give enough equity to your opps too and your FD is likely to be dominated
          I disagree with limping pre.

          If we limp we're hoping to flop a dominating draw cheaply in a multiway pot and this hand just doesn't do that often enough. But it plays great in position hu and if we raise we'll do that about half the time vs a megafish.

          I also disagree with your statement that your FD is likely to be dominated. Villain's ranges are so wide right now that if the flop contains two or more diamonds we're at least 80% likely to be drawing to or have the nuts. That's more than enough margin for error in such a bloated pot*.

          However in a limped pot we have to consider folding it cause then the pot is tiny and any action will narrow the villains ranges more towards nfd than in a bloated pot.

          ---

          *To estimate this I calculated our equity with this hand vs top 9% and top 90% hands on an unpaired 5 card board with 3 diamonds and no straight flush possible and got 82% eq. It's fuzzy math but it should be close.

          Last edited by Wolfram; 06-25-2012 at 08:29 AM.
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          06-25-2012 , 11:28 AM
          Thanks Wolf and coon74 (lol, without 74 your name got censored )
          I also don't like openlimping there, especially cause villains were c/fing most flops (I didn't include that read though, my bad) so I could just relentlessly cbet on the flop when I didn't steal the blinds. So, are you calling the 3bet?

          Hand2: I understand that flatting is ok as well, but this hand should be a good 3b vs a BTN steal by a reg no? I take it you are calling the 4bet Wolfie?
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