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03-24-2011 , 01:47 PM
Ship, IMO.

Also, not really the right place for this hand. Read the OP.
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03-24-2011 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
Ship, IMO.

Also, not really the right place for this hand. Read the OP.
ty for the answer, and sorry, I'm new to the forum and I thought this was the correct 3d

btw I shoved and lost to a Ks+nfd. Was not sure about my move
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03-24-2011 , 02:14 PM
Rate my bluff!
Villain quite active and running over me, expect him to vbet any flushi and bluff any missed hand...



    Entraction, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8408562

    Hero (BTN): $222.66 (222.7 bb)
    BB: $344.64 (344.6 bb)

    Preflop: ($0.50) Hero is BTN with 8 K A 5
    Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

    Flop: ($18) A 4 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.50

    Turn: ($45) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $28, BB calls $28

    River: ($101) T (2 players)
    BB bets $50.50, Hero raises to $172.16 and is all-in



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    03-24-2011 , 02:44 PM
    ~3.50/10

    Your line doesn't make any sense, IMO. With the exception of 99+K-hiFD, there's not much you call flop, bet turn, and then ship river with.
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    03-24-2011 , 02:46 PM
    Fine spot to stab/bluff against a random?


    [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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    CO: $15 (60 bb)
    BTN: $25.72 (102.9 bb)
    SB: $32.13 (128.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $107.40 (429.6 bb)
    MP: $24.56 (98.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q J J Q
    MP raises to $0.85, CO folds, BTN calls $0.85, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.50, MP calls $2.65, BTN calls $2.65

    Flop: ($10.60) 4 5 K (3 players)
    Hero bets $6.50, MP raises to $21.06 and is all-in, 2 folds


    hand #2

    prob ridic simple
    is betting turn fine to protect hand or check to induce?


    [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8408732

    MP: $29.54 (118.2 bb)
    CO: $36.95 (147.8 bb)
    BTN: $16.67 (66.7 bb)
    SB: $37.08 (148.3 bb)
    Hero (BB): $98.97 (395.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 2 8 Q
    MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: ($1.25) 8 6 6 (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.19, MP calls $1.19, CO folds, BTN calls $1.19, SB folds

    Turn: ($4.82) 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets $4.59, 2 folds
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    03-24-2011 , 02:48 PM
    lord 9/10, bet turn bigger and it would be perfect. and our line makes perfect sense.

    khanrava first hand is fine, second u can bet turn smaller like 3 or so
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    03-24-2011 , 02:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
    lord 9/10, bet turn bigger and it would be perfect. and our line makes perfect sense.
    We're repping like AKB9? Seems narrow, but I suppose it depends on what we're trying to push him off of. If he's c/r the turn...

    Edit: **** me, missed it was HUHU. Meh... whatevs - idk.
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    03-24-2011 , 06:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sappie22
    Thanks guys - mines more like Leroy's - probably worse

    Sappie - yours is nice

    Got decent overall sample size now, so gonna start finding some leaks

    How do we improve this?
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    03-25-2011 , 04:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
    ~3.50/10

    Your line doesn't make any sense, IMO. With the exception of 99+K-hiFD, there's not much you call flop, bet turn, and then ship river with.
    good point...have to admit that I would have played most nfd + made hand fast on the flop at this point in the match.
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    03-25-2011 , 04:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adzy85
    Thanks guys - mines more like Leroy's - probably worse

    Sappie - yours is nice

    Got decent overall sample size now, so gonna start finding some leaks

    How do we improve this?
    Have/had same issue. Some ideas:

    Fold weak hands pre oop and also ip if not deep enough.
    Employ smaller raise sizes on the flop if possible to be able to bluffraise more often.
    Personally I lose/lost a ton flatting flop in 3bet pot with my 1 pair type hands/weak draws.
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    03-25-2011 , 11:00 AM
    Ty alapancha, I've popped it in a full post cause I'm not yet 100% on what is super standard vs actual tricky situations. Don't want to clutter here unless I'm sure it's a fairly trivial Q. I didn't have to think about it too much tho, thought it was pretty easy & just wanted confirmation.

    Last edited by ZingZhang; 03-25-2011 at 11:28 AM. Reason: Prob needs full post.
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    03-25-2011 , 11:20 AM
    zing pretty easy fold imo
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    03-25-2011 , 11:29 AM
    Pfff let me analyze that hand for u guys lol

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lordhonse

    Preflop: ($0.50) Hero is BTN with 8 K A 5
    Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6
    Standard so far

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lordhonse
    Flop: ($18) A 4 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.50
    Villain is pretty much allways going to bet this flop with air/nuts and our call is very standard


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lordhonse
    Turn: ($45) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $28, BB calls $28
    Now when villain checks turn and board is so drawy he might give up with his air and if he had something like set/top 2 ect he would probably keep barreling or atleast go for cr. And heros range is still very wide here, 2pairs, sets, flushdraws. No air atleast. We can bet turn with very wide range and expect to get alot of folds.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lordhonse
    River: ($101) T (2 players)
    BB bets $50.50, Hero raises to $172.16 and is all-in
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    Now when villain cc turn and lead half a pot river his range is most of time some stupid bluffs, weak made hands turned into a bluff and hands like AQQx with hearts and so on. And what does hero hand look like when we raise river? Floated flop with nfd blocker and planning to steal pot in later streets? That **** dont happen in plo100 Our line makes perfect sense and theres no reason why we couldnt have nuts here.
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    03-25-2011 , 11:25 PM
    Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($70.26)
    UTG ($9.90)
    MP ($14.75)
    Hero (CO) ($14.76)
    Button ($44.59)
    SB ($36.60)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, A, 8, 7
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.80) A, A, 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

    Turn: ($1.80) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

    River: ($4.20) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.20, SB raises to $6.40, Hero calls $3.20

    Total pot: $17 | Rake: $1.13


    standard i think?
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    03-26-2011 , 10:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
    Pfff let me analyze that hand for u guys lol

    ...

    Floated flop with nfd blocker and planning to steal pot in later streets? That **** dont happen in plo100 Our line makes perfect sense and theres no reason why we couldnt have nuts here.
    ok thx 4 deep analysis...guess I'm just result oriented...my last 10+ huge river bluffbets/raises got snapped every fu***** time :P
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    03-27-2011 , 04:32 PM
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    PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Poker Stars
    SB ($85.40)
    BB ($28)
    Hero ($62.15)
    CO ($20.35)
    BTN ($51.60)

    Dealt to Hero T K A 9

    Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

    FLOP ($8.75) 8 T 4

    SB checks, BB bets $3.30, Hero folds

    Too weak?
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    03-27-2011 , 06:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abscr
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    PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Poker Stars
    SB ($85.40)
    BB ($28)
    Hero ($62.15)
    CO ($20.35)
    BTN ($51.60)

    Dealt to Hero T K A 9

    Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

    FLOP ($8.75) 8 T 4

    SB checks, BB bets $3.30, Hero folds

    Too weak?
    yes, calling is mandatory, raising is situational, depends on what kind of observations you have on villain betting small
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    03-27-2011 , 06:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dadude77
    Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($70.26)
    UTG ($9.90)
    MP ($14.75)
    Hero (CO) ($14.76)
    Button ($44.59)
    SB ($36.60)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, A, 8, 7
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.80) A, A, 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

    Turn: ($1.80) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

    River: ($4.20) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.20, SB raises to $6.40, Hero calls $3.20

    Total pot: $17 | Rake: $1.13


    standard i think?
    yes, standard
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    03-28-2011 , 07:23 AM
    river call cant be standard
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    03-28-2011 , 11:45 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
    river call cant be standard
    I'd agree, bet/fold prob best imo and I'd size it similarly personally, fwiw.



    For this hand, I feel like I can rep AA/QQ pretty hardcore, my equity is like 35% ish in some of the worst scenario's I can think of and donk bets are frequently weak in these games, although I'd probably add the caveat that this doesn't always apply, in my experience, to pot size donk bets. Villain is Loose/donkish but on the passive side, no direct history and I haven't done anything notable at the table since joining an orbit or two ago. Anyone take a diff flop action, float maybe to stack TP with worse draws when we hit etc, or just max our FE now?

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8545022

      CO: $7.33 (73.3 bb)
      BTN: $18.59 (185.9 bb)
      SB: $9.90 (99 bb)
      BB: $12.04 (120.4 bb)
      UTG: $8.74 (87.4 bb)
      Hero (MP): $10 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K J Q T
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BTN folds, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.40) Q A 6 (4 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $1.33, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds,



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      03-28-2011 , 11:47 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by IgnatiusJR
      CO is 62/41 w/ 19% 3bet over 185 hands.
      BTN is 30/23 w/ 20% 3bet over 60 hands.

      How do you feel about 4betting for value? Is it better than calling when oop? How do you react to a flop like this with <1 spr w/ unpaired hands?

        Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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        Hero (UTG): $11.43 (114.3 bb)
        MP: $10 (100 bb)
        CO: $12.06 (120.6 bb)
        BTN: $12.89 (128.9 bb)
        SB: $10.20 (102 bb)
        BB: $12.03 (120.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with K 9 J A
        Hero raises to $0.35, MP folds, CO raises to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.95, CO calls $3.75, BTN calls $3.75

        Flop: ($15) 4 7 4 (3 players)
        love the 4bet. shove flop with this much left.
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        03-28-2011 , 11:50 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by ZingZhang
        For this hand, I feel like I can rep AA/QQ pretty hardcore, my equity is like 35% ish in some of the worst scenario's I can think of and donk bets are frequently weak in these games, although I'd probably add the caveat that this doesn't always apply, in my experience, to pot size donk bets. Villain is Loose/donkish but on the passive side, no direct history and I haven't done anything notable at the table since joining an orbit or two ago. Anyone take a diff flop action, float maybe to stack TP with worse draws when we hit etc, or just max our FE now?

          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8545022

          CO: $7.33 (73.3 bb)
          BTN: $18.59 (185.9 bb)
          SB: $9.90 (99 bb)
          BB: $12.04 (120.4 bb)
          UTG: $8.74 (87.4 bb)
          Hero (MP): $10 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with K J Q T
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BTN folds, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

          Flop: ($1.40) Q A 6 (4 players)
          SB checks, BB bets $1.33, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds,



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          i dont think getting a loose/passive player to fold a made hand is a good idea. he has AQ/66 (don't rule out AA or QQ either) a lot and just isn't gonna fold. i would just call with this draw and get him to pay us off when we hit. repping thin in general MW isn't a good strategy, especially vs. people who probably can't hand read
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          03-28-2011 , 01:21 PM
          200PLO Full Ring (9 players) Table has really high vpip ~65% and is loose passive in general.

          This was on Carbon so no HH but villain and I are both 100bbs deep, I'm in the BB and flatted a minraise from villain in the CO. 4 people saw the flop. Only read on villain is that he's one of the more standard players at the table, VPIP ~ 25, no spew seen through 30 hands.

          Hero (BB): 8d9dTsKs calls minraise ($2) from CO

          flop ($18) 467 (4 Players)
          SB checks, hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $16, fold, hero bets $66, CO bets all-in, hero calls all-in

          turn ($412) 4 (2 players all-in)

          river ($412) 10

          hero shows 8 9 T K
          CO shows A 5 8 2

          ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
          14,227,000 trials (Exhaustive)
          board: 467
          Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
          77**, 66**, 44**, 58**, Ad5d6c7s, 7789, 445842.81% 5,936,869308,802
          8d9dTsKs57.19% 7,981,329308,802

          Main question here is I play mostly 6max so wanted to make sure my line was appropriate given the fact it's full ring and nuttiness is more important than 6max.
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          03-29-2011 , 02:04 PM
          Is this standard?


            Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8587832

            UTG: $43.05 (86.1 bb)
            MP: $50 (100 bb)
            CO: $28.95 (57.9 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $39.30 (78.6 bb)
            SB: $10.85 (21.7 bb)
            BB: $35.10 (70.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with J 8 Q A
            UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1, MP calls $1

            Flop: ($9) 3 A Q (6 players)
            SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $9.35 and is all-in, BB folds, UTG raises to $41.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $27.80 and is all-in

            Turn: ($93.95) J (3 players, 3 are all-in)
            River: ($93.95) J (3 players, 3 are all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $93.95 pot ($3 rake)
            Final Board: 3 A Q J J
            UTG showed T Q T Q and won $90.95 ($51.65 net)
            MP mucked and lost (-$1.50 net)
            CO mucked and lost (-$1.50 net)
            Hero showed J 8 Q A and lost (-$39.30 net)
            SB showed 5 2 4 3 and lost (-$10.85 net)
            BB mucked and lost (-$1.50 net)



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            03-29-2011 , 07:44 PM
            Rush, no read. Spew or std?

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            PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
            Hero ($100)
            BB ($139)
            UTG ($175)
            UTG+1 ($123)
            CO ($28.65)
            BTN ($199)

            Dealt to Hero A 6 J K

            fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $11.50, fold, BTN calls $8

            FLOP ($24) 9 5 J

            Hero bets $15, BTN raises to $69, Hero raises to $88.50 (AI), BTN calls $19.50
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