Very good point! Obv we want to exploit our opponents to the maximum, and the goal of this discussion is to talk about when, with what and who to 3 bet.

it's actually hard to get them to stack off in single raised pots, they'll sure call a lot though

Yeah.. and besides that, it's not even about 'stacking them' necessarily, a lot of fish (like mostly loose-passives, and nut peddlers) ESPECIALLY at low limits just play really, really badly in 3bet pots and make big mistakes that they don't make in limped/single raised pots.

Just ask yourself if you rather someone who flats/floats you a lot (esp. in pos) effectively as an opponent or someone who 3bets a lot (esp. in pos) and does so effectively? Whichever you hate more is probably the one you should try to be. I hate playing the latter much more.

In my post I wasn't saying that we should never 3-bet, or only 3-bet monsters. It's more in situations where you are against a bad opponent, particularly one who is aggro, and the decision is close between 3 betting and calling. You should tend to lean towards calling.

FWIW. On the micros I play on, the players who don't 3 bet are generally losing players. This = most of them.

My experience of the typical micro player is one who chases nuts with non premium cards, and the way to exploit this is to 3 bet with a decently wide range and then play better than the other players post-flop.

I think the stereotype of the micro player who'll stack off light in an unraised flop is a bit of a myth... More common than at higher stakes obviously, but if you plan on beating them at their own game, you're just stooping to their level.

Would anyone be interested in discussing 3betting in Cap/shallow games on FTP? 40BB stacks are getting more and more common, and I'd love to know how people adjust in general against different villain types. I don't want to hijack, so I can make a new thread too...

why is repping AAxx so great? on most flops thats a really weak hand and any one-pair hand with live kickers is a favourite. i only play HU but a lot of opponents will ship any flop where they hit a pair when they think you have AAxx.

i think i get more value from other premium hands i 3bet, because my opponents put me on AAxx and stack of much too light a lot of the time. will check it in HEM when i get to it.

i suppose its very different in non-headsup games though.

That's a great reason to rep AAxx, you can take the pot down if they miss, & you can win a big pot with a disguised hand if they are happy shipping any pair plus 3 live cards.

I'm new to PLO but don't these two points contradict each other? Plus if you're going to always get 33% of stack pre, and shove on flop then you're giving your opponent 3 to 1 to out flop you. Seems like villain is getting really good odds.

This might seem counter intuitive, but for any new player try not 3 betting for a while.

I did this as an experiment a few months back. And in a funny way I learned more about when and why you should 3 bet from it. It wasn't my intention but thats what happened.

I can't explain it, as I'm not great at writing about poker but if you pay attention in game and don't play too many tables it will help.

I think at the low stakes just 3betting double suited AA and KK is a good option. Hands like KQJTds play sooo good multiway so you don´t want to fold out players preflop, especially bad players, but it´s never wrong to 3bet those, you could go either way. Hands like 5689ds are good to 3bet if you can get the pot HU but that´s not often the case on low stakes.

^ So double suited AA and KK play poorly multiway?

And KQJTds plays poorly HU? and anyways you said that you never get it HU , so wouldn't you 3b that and bloat the pot multiway?

Double suited AA and KK play really good multiway in 3bet pots because when you hit a flushdraw you can get stacks in with good equity.

KQJTds plays really good both HU and multiway. Well, you want as much players in the pot as possible with this hand. So if you think the blinds are going to call, fine 3bet then, but I would call otherwise.

Don't 3bet often in PLO if your hand-reading skills aren't great.

Recently, I thought I was getting crushed in 3bet pots but did some hand history reviews and saw that I was the one crushing in those spots as the 3bettor or the caller. I then started to widen my 3bet range because what I saw at micro levels was 3betting in position is extremely profitable if you have a decent post flop game. Hand reading skills are critical if you want to 3bet more and I think players at the micros pretty much play their hands face up.