[TL;DR]Cliff: you can use inconsistent fishy logic as long as it makes you happier.
It's not a lecture because whoamitoteachyoupros, rather it's a message to a future me in case I fall into depression at higher limits.
Laziness is one of the main factors ruining my life, sometimes I wanna say 'goodbye cruel world' but I'm too lazy even to commit suicide (but not to submit tons of letters to 2+2 ).
No, seriously, before making this step I have to write a will because those who would inherit my liferoll by default don't deserve it, but alas I don't know addresses of you folks and most of your real names, I know a bit more screen names so I can transfer the legacy to your poker accounts while I'm alive, but I'm afraid of depriving those whose SNs I don't know, so I guess I'll stay with you for a while (or PM me with your SNs if you believe I'll rather go than stay, this will make me more willing to stay ).
So I need another way to overcome my numerous failures and develop positive thinking (an example is my above black humour), I hope this will help me defeat the bunch of self-suspected neuroses you can well observe in my posts: ADD (attention-deficit disorder), PAPD (passive-aggressive personality disorder) et al. (Asperger's can't be cured but it's a normal mindset deviation, not a disease).
As I'm breakeven post-rakeback for the first ~12K hands - it's a lol sample but I think luck was on my side or close to neutral and I make so many stupid mistakes that soon I won't be able to review my hand histories without Validol - the main mission of positive attitude now is forgiving myself for being such a fish.
I've recently heard an aphorism by a famous pre-WSOP gambler Nick the Greek (invented long before him), 'The best thing in life is winning at poker, the second best thing is losing at poker' (my quotation isn't exact; I'm prone to flashbacks from Nick Wealthall's 'Winning Poker Blueprint' series, forgive me, I don't mean to advertise, even on the contrary because he says uberstandard things I'm just lazy to recall often).
So being a fish isn't bad as long as you enjoy it. Think how many fields of life you're a fish in, you don't wanna blame yourself for that but you continue doing that and you're still alive.
Another thing Nick Wealthall has reminded me of is that we should learn to spot lucky moments as thoroughly as we spot unlucky ones, including situational luck, e.g. when someone raised the flop before us and we folded a good hand but not the nuts, whereas we woulda been sucked in if he slowplayed; or a very common situation (especially common in PLO as equities run close) when we made a marginal fold and the board woulda been unlucky for us should we have called. These two kinds of spots lift my mood a lot.
Now I'll go further and say that our gift is our ability to have different biases of judgment, therefore we can view everything at angles that make us the happiest.
For example, I was dreaming of beating a certain well-known player who is perceived as a fish by respected regs and I thought it was achievable because I have a few reads on him picked from his session review videos, but our first long match occurred suddenly and I was stubborn enough to lose 3 buy-ins of my biggest limit (i.e. 150 euros). I was happy enough to make use of my reads in a couple of spots, but those pots were medium and in general I failed to make necessary adjustments to his original style. I attribute one of those buy-ins to misluck in a coinflip, the other two are totally my mistakes.
I got demotivated and even on the verge of tears and I can't say I've fully recovered yet, but you know, the main goal of playing poker is making money, not beating everyone, there are dozens of other players (thousands in your case) to take money from. (Compare this to my favourite excuse, 'There are >3.6 mlrd more females in the world, so I'm mentally folding this one'. ) However, when a fish is lucky to take my stack being way behind, I think quite the opposite: I've lost money but I've proven my edge over him and that's cool! You can blame me for using inconsistent logic but it makes me happier.
Btw I know this player reviews his won and lost hands separately, I think it's a good tip for mental health because you have to take meds only when reviewing lost hands.
Bumhunting is bad and avoiding good regs all the time is bad too, but I think ethics is not so relevant in poker (given other people's attitude) unless it deals with tilt and berating fish. Upsetting your opponents is bad because you spoil ecology and they're your customers after all (I think of poker players as entertainers because I can't find any other utility of this game for the overall society).
However, as far as robbing gaming operators or affiliates is concerned, finis sanctificat media, these businessmen are rich enough and they sometimes don't care of players' interests, so I find accusations like 'you're a massive loser pre-rakeback therefore you're a fish' inappropriate. You're not a fish as long as you're making profit post-rakeback and post-expenses in the long run, leave mental ability issues for the BBV thread I almost never read. Btw if you habitually check your cashier, learn to add your future rakeback funds to your balance, this will make you more optimistic.
PLO is specific in that equity edges are small and therefore the mistakes you make are usually small. Keep this in mind when you're blaming yourself for mistakes. You almost always have some equity, so you lose not the full size of your bluff raise, but only some part of it.
When I review hands, it's important that in hands that were won in one of the numerous senses it's me who won, in totally lost hands it's an abstract Hero who lost!
Another concept that helps positive vary reasoning is Galfond-bucks (as opposed to Sklansky-bucks). It's a very good excuse for losing plays. The phrase 'Hero ran into the top of Villain's range' is more popular now than a simple 'Hero got unlucky'.
Here's an example of me running into the cumulative top of Villains' ranges. Note that this hand was lost in terms of net winnings, won in terms of S-bucks and even more profitable in terms of G-bucks, however I'm too lazy to put them on ranges and count my profit in G-bucks because the hand was won in S-bucks anyway and I'm more comfortable thinking that I won a whole fortune in G-bucks. (I believe the flop equity distrubution exactly reflects the skill levels of the participants. ) Disclaimer: don't analyse this hand as you used to do in one of my previous LC threads, it's here for illustration, not discussion.
Preflop: ****74 is SB with Q 9 9 T
BTN raises to 0.70, ****74 calls 0.60, BB calls 0.50
Flop: (2.10) 5 3 9 (3 players)
****74 bets 1.50, BB calls 1.50, BTN raises to 8.10, ****74 calls 6.60, BB raises to 34.50, BTN calls 14.36 and is all-in, ****74 calls 14.36 and is all-in
Turn: (69.48) 2 (3 players, 1 is all-in) River: (69.48) A (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 69.48 pot (2 rake)
Final Board: 5 3 9 2 A
BTN showed 3 2 5 4 and won 67.48 (44.32 net)
****74 showed Q 9 9 T and lost (-23.16 net)
BB showed 8 7 J 6 and lost (-23.16 net)
Btw I wanna test your observance here: what's wrong with this HH?
Don't you find it suspicious that my and BTN's stacks are so equal?
Yeah, in fact BTN had 0.09 more but I manually change HHs from another site to the Stars format to feed them to the converter and I don't know the Stars HH format for all-ins with side pots.
Yet another concept that is a good excuse is metagame. I'm already known as the 2nd master of metagame here behind Mt.Fishnoob, so there's no need to give examples, just read the 'Unsuccesful bluff thread' (DRoseMJD's spelling is preserved ).
I don't think that objective review of played hands shouldn't be done once in a while, but we shouldn't get too upset by it and start eating ourselves for mistakes. We should be aware of them, but also be aware of our success and think about it as much as we can, and this will lead us to normal self-esteem and happiness.
Feel free to reply with your positive mindset tips.
Just for the sake of relaxation (it depends though ) at the end of this tiring post, I've decided to add some of my favourite music.
This one can be dedicated to one of the main poker events of June - Cake's rebranding and, I hope, my forthcoming signup with it (WSOP doesn't count because I don't care about celebrities and I can't play live; I'm so online that if I come to a casino, I'll ask first what their rakeback percentage and calculation method are ). Also, it's a good song in terms of philosophy and mindset.
The next one is dedicated to the forthcoming July events - on the 1st of July an anti-poker bill in Germany (don't worry, in fact nothing will change) and new iPoker's rules for skins (that will lead to a split in September and most likely iPoker1's divorce with most generous affiliates) will take effect. In both cases these are not the first attempts to deprive regs, but you're called regs for a reason, you'll always find a way out and those who will try to shoot you will collapse alone, long and painfully.
To end this wall of text, let's recall a classic inspirational soundtrack, one of the greatest in the history. Let's look on the bright side of poker, and luck will be with us. Cheers!
Good post. I know I beat myself up for mistakes a lot; it's easy to lose a stack when you know you played the hand correctly but easy to tilt when you know you made a bad play, esp lolbad. Try to remind yourself you're learning and mistakes are inevitable and learn from them the best you can. Also, sick location ****...I know I have made marginal/-EV plays vs like 40-60bb retards and just think "whatev now were deeper" lol...
'The best thing in life is winning at poker, the second best thing is losing at poker'
Nice post, there's a few gems in there like the small mistakes one, very true.
it's easy to lose a stack when you know you played the hand correctly but easy to tilt when you know you made a bad play, esp lolbad.
I find what works for me is just reminding myself that the bad players have to win, otherwise theres no games! Also deep breathing & soaking myself with water snapped me right back into reality earlier today after taking a few beats in a row!
White_mike, the SPR stuff works in the opposite direction too: when I grow my stack from 80bb to 100bb in HU it's cool, but when it drops back to 81bb I'm not upset as it now has exactly 4 potsize raises in it!
Envoy, welcome back to the reality , I'll maybe try water too, that's sound advice.
While replying to the quick checkup thread, I recalled two more legit excuses for bad plays.
1. When I don't think long enough on my decisions, I make wrong plays sometimes, but it lowers average time per hand and fatigue, therefore I can make bigger volume, which can be more profitable than thinking deep.
My thinking OOP vs a preflop raiser is optimised like that: first I look at the board texture and if I find it cbettable enough I insta-check; while Villain is thinking whether to cbet or not, I roughly determine my reaction to his cbet; so, if I decide to c/r I can do it instantly, which generates much additional fold equity I guess.
Theoretically (I haven't tried to do so yet), there's an advanced version of this approach that involves NLP rapport-conduct techniques. First you should play in the same pace as your HU opp, mirroring him, and after he gets into rapport with you, you can gradually increase the pace and he'll subconsciously think faster too, and if he's worse than you at fast play, then you gain a bigger edge.
Now these techniques are working against me because after I sit some time with maniacs, they get into rapport with me even easier because their play is a good example of reframing/mind-blowing techniques, as a result I start spewing like mad too.
2. When I shove a bit unprofitably early in the hand, it's good because I free myself from making a mistake on the river, which is my worst street. (The tripled version of this phenomenon is well-known as flopaphobia. In my case it's not because I'm scared of river cards, but because I wanna get rid of the street where I don't have an edge.)
I'm stoned and because I liek you **** I ahve rambled something which I hope counterfits thought process I see and deem negative- lots of true points in your post but there is something underlying in perception shown by the humour and ego.
Need to find a methodological system for decision and refine it. The decision is depletive of emotion and it always relates to a x:y - In poker Y being potsize Y being present and eventual.... present is the initial starting point- direct odds i.e 14 I bet 8 or need to call 8 for 22- eventual is factored by the variance spectrum and weight exists at some approximate point). X of course being the price for buy or sale. Initial price is always in awareness before the bargaining.
Once you have developed this system and applied it it will click. Decisions won't be mulled over- unless a profitable Y is far away- BUT you will look for it and spend time looking to see if you can make one exist. You will forget it and when you make mistakes in the future this will be the only reason aand the only reason to tilt, the tilt is then the energy which becomes resolve- and you will forget what you remember less often. When you remember you will not tilt because your decision process was sound and all decisions will be sound.
This is the model of a perfect decision process IMO-
pot size >>> opponents >>> hand decision
Tilt has the effect of distorting this, the relevance of pot size may be overlooked or ignored, the focus on the opponent can be distorted through subjective opinion, the hand decision is factored by emotion instead of soley pot size and opponents. The maint hing I have learned I think is that a decision process void of anything but the required information and this process needs practiced rather than going to each hand in a different frame of mind relative to the other bull**** that occurs in the concious.
This method can be applied to life but it should be used to plan activity and give confidence. The other side of mind- flow is to be relied upon- it is like sleep and waking up is like the remembering mentioned above which just happens to be akin to meditation but meditating on c:y instead of breathing or flame or nothingness or white. I know that other players can be scik poker players by flowing on their emotions bumps- like Antonious (can reference this if wish but so hard to find that interview). But for more mortal persons the step approach is reliable.
Btw this is an exact metaphor for so much fooking ****
Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 06-29-2012 at 05:28 PM.
The above is a brilliant post that is so deep that it can be understood only after several reads - a std Mt.Fishnoob's post
Thanks for reminding about flow. I'll now read a book that introduced this notion: 'Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience'. I've indeed been wondering how sportsmen achieve this supernatural state. Like Daniel Negreanu says in an ad, 'You don't think on the game, you feel the game' or smth like that, I don't remember the wording.
I'm not against uniform reasoning in hand analysis and I hope I'll finally arrive at it. I wouldn't mind to use it now if it helped my mood. As I've stated my main goal now is to raise self-esteem dropped by all my previous life, raise it by any means, even those that are locally -EV.
In poker you don't want self esteem of any kind- there is only the decision occuring after opponent range after pot size, the alter ego method works for some people i.e 'the professional' talked about in elements of poker.
self esteem is dependent on belief, people make the mistake of basing their -all their- beliefs upon events or allowing events to dictate beleif, and belief is what leads to emotion hence events control emotion. Self esteem is dependent on the belief your ego has- which is usually dictated by events, or in poker results. Will power needs to stand in the way. One needs to manipulate delusion. You can have self esteem just by beleiving that events in the future will make you look good, your ancestors will be proud. 'Doing it for your ancestors' is a pretty powerful inference- as is any 'I will'. Starting off a session with a few 'I wills' is quite powerful.
This stuff stems from hindu and Buddhist philosophy- mantras. They really were the masters of self and even god.
Everybody's self esteem is basically a load of ****. All events are a load of **** only occuring through the parodox of impoosible being impossible.
Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 06-30-2012 at 01:24 PM.
I find what helps me is seeing the purpose of poker not as to make money, but to achieve stillness during any sesh. Of course, it's harder to achieve stillness if you're playing bad, so it helps me play good. And if I play good, I make money, but that's only a plus. The biggest part of this stillness practice lies in the simple act of not checking the cashier, whether you won or lost in the sesh. If you're playing for the purpose of stillness then to stare at the least still thing in the world (your poker bankroll) is very -EV. Unless you think you've lost so much you might have to move down levels, or won so much you need to check if you're rolled to move up, of you have to cash out, don't look at the cashier.
Since I try to look at poker as an exercise in stillness, I can tell you right now that looking at the cashier is by far the biggest leak in my game, and one that I struggle constantly to plug, lmaoo.
If the purpose of life is happiness, than the human species is a fishy one, lol. That is, we beat the game of life in isolated sessions, but ultimately only the Buddhas beat it over the long run (the truly long run . . . the infinite). Therefore, don't worry about it. It's just a game. Even the money we play for is ultimately fake.
I'm now reducing my 2+2 posting frequency to grind in more, so I'll keep it shorter than the OP, sorry.
Ode to multitabling (re GGaRJ's digest ldo)
(Btw, as soon as no one seems to want to write the July digest, I'd like to see just a centralised survey on how people play monotone boards, for those who're lazy to use the search function. I feel I'm way too nitty on them as almost anyone around me, I guess I should cbet and donk more often. X-posting Quadro's fresh article would be a good start. I could write this OT in the digest sticky, but I don't want to deflorate it .)
I've suddenly discovered that when I 4-table 240 hs/hr, I can play 1.5-2.5 hours in a row without physiological signals of fatigue. However, my session graphs usually look like a hat, so I have to find a way to naturally reduce session length, even though I'll spend more time in waiting lists then as hardly anyone is eager to play with me HU.
So I think most of my fatigue - when 2-tabling 160 hs/hr vs all the same reggy maniacs I used to start feeling uncomfortable after 45-70 minutes - came from psychology - I used to pay more attention to variance.
Also, 4-tabling naturally reduces my VPIP. Before I came to the idea of resizing tables to the minimum manually instead of allowing the client to tile them (my laptop has a 1024x600 monitor working in a 1024x768 scrolling mode, as I've mentioned today I won't trade lying in my bed for anything ), I didn't cope well and my stats were 24/17, then I got close to a heart attack upon seeing what a nit I was , now, with a better multitabling environment, I'll increase them to 33/24 pretty soon .
Ode to short siterolls
The problem with zombie 4-tabling is the necessity of a good stoploss. I don't want to spend money on tiltbreakers yet. My network is helpful as I can set daily/weekly/monthly stoplosses and I also can transfer money from the overall account to poker partially, so I transfer 7 BIs, then sessions naturally end after 1.5-2.5 hours as all my money comes to the tables to form deep stacks at half of them and I lose the ability to autorebuy.
(Fwiw I find it good to use an alarm clock too, set on 11:55 PM GMT because that's the end of the rake day and I need to close tables to ensure timely tracking of my rake.)
Another virtue of a short siteroll/stoploss is that a 'second breath' opens when all the money is in play.
I once faced a pathetic fish HU but before I realised his essence my siteroll dropped to 50bb , then I gathered all my remaining powers to win my (and his) money back (HU4rollz ). I successfully doubled up and that's when two regs joined the table. I thought that was a doomsday but soon I realised my situational luck: I was the only one at the table who knew he was a fish. So I stacked him quite quickly and quit, having quintupled my siteroll in a single session .
P.S. What a funny 2+2 bug: for the first title the editor wrote COLOR="Magenta" correctly, but for the second one it wrote COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)" and I had to fix it manually .