Villain is one of the top high stakes regs in the game. Obviously fairly loose and very capable of everything. Do we prefer a flat, a CIB or a shove?

i'm not playin these limits so i just have a few questions to that hand if u dont mind assuming he is capable of everything, so x/r total-airballer and also x/r wiv equity like str8-draw and fd's, wdln't it be best to just call flop and jam turn, and get anothr bet from his total airballer or continuning semi-bluffs? wld he b/c turn wiv equity? wld he jam flop if u CIB wiv his equity x/r? i just think there rn't a lot of nasty turns for ur hand except a club/Q. and if get it right that shld be about ~39% equity otf(exluding total airballer), also assuming he cld have an 8 in his hand. but as i said i'm playing way lower limits so i cld get something totally wrong and talk bs

I dont think he's ever going to be complete airballing in this spot. His worst hands for doing this are probably a 9+gutter or some double pair.
I'm not sure what he's going to do against a CIB or a peel with his range, that's pretty much the reason why I posted this hand.

The argument against calling is: If I call and a turn is 9-Q or a non-boating club (over 40% of turns) I'm kinda lost even in position, and he can probably make really good decisions against my hand.

What's the worst hand he has here? Your hand can't be that good because airballing is suicide so he's got something, crappy spot for sure. Raising; sucks. Calling; sucks. Folding; also kinda sucks.

what is your 4b% ? Villain 3b%?

I named the worst hands in the previous post (9+gutter or some double pair, maybe something like QQTx)

Folding is certainly out of the question on the flop.

His 3bet oop is 9%, my 4bet range is 4%. I expect both of the ranges to be wider in this spot due to it being 3handed and positions.

Calling is not an option with so much money in the pot already, you have to protect your equity. I like jamming, villain is getting way better than 2/1 on a jam so even if we were to induce a something by clicking it back, we don't gain much from the play but do risk giving him a profitable call.

If we were deeper then sure CIB or flat are better options for range, but here I think if we jam all trips+, clubs, ovepair+OESD we do fine. Don't know what we do with dry overpair though.

nobody's raising the 9+ gutter or QQTx unless they're suited in which case you aren't looking so good. Even if he's got the QQTx which is terrible he's still got around 13 outs and 79T has even more (679T or club). The worst hands he's got are near even equity

you do realize that he has a bluffraising range here right?

of which hands?

I would say his 3b range is wider but your 4b probably isn't. As you are IP you would play optimally from the button with your rundowns etc and not willing to face a 5bet.
Villain is pretty convinced you have a range mostly containing aces.
I guess a CIB might appear as too strong and we don't have a very nutty hand so calling is out. I guess I would shove and be flipping quite alot against his hand.

you seriously want me to repeat myself for the 3rd time?

850 in the pot and a bit more that pot size left -

This is never a call imo - you are praying for good turn cards and are lost anyway.
I also dont see how you can fold this in a 3bet pot.


Though you will also be nearly death a certain amount of the time our ev + potsize is a jam imo.
(have to mention: i am playing these stakes but only live)

[ ] 850 in the pot
[ ] 3b pot
I know folding is bad
I know shoving is +ev, I'm asking if other options are better

I'm shoving all day, too shallow for CIB. Looks too strong. Would be different in a 3bet pot.

Shipping seems the best line. Good for balance to have an 8x hand here where we shove since a lot of 8x we will probably flat. Also going to be shipping AA+NFD. Would probably only consider CiB with FH's, 8x with FD/straight draw and or both and then some really bad drawing hands which can't shove profitably (and hands which we would have to fold to a shove)

No offence to vektor but this isn't a spot where apo is looking for opinions from those who play much lower than him. I would call and assess from there apo.

Considering this is posted in SSPLO, I guess he/she wants to hear opinions from those who play much lower than him/her.

i think he's maybe lookin for villain to reply as jedi has done in a hand against him

I am thankful for any and all posters' opinions who are kind enough to respond, and nah, I don't think the villain's input is going to be a lot more valueable than any other regular's.

I guess I agree with GGaRJ and others, shoving and praying is probably the way to go and I shouldnt really think twice about it. Fwiw thats what I did in the actual hand.

You got called off by worse or villain was holding a 99 or 98 heartbreaker?

he had AQT5ds with nut clubs

Did you win the hand?

This may be slightly off-topic, but why do you sit so lol deep against such a tough player?
I´m assuming you´re gunning for BB anyway?

I agree with it being an easy shove to take your equity as most of the time he is doing such with at least 6 outs, but sometimes maybe he has air in his range which he barrels on blank turns,

how much of 99 or 89 is a cooler is usually predictable but you make a point of him being capable of many plays.

I prefer scooping earlier in general rather than gamble on trick cards like a blank 4 to induce a second barrel. Clicking it back doesn't serve much purpose but calling can have huge implieds maybe