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PLO50 - facing a river shove as flop and turn cbettor in 3b pot PLO50 - facing a river shove as flop and turn cbettor in 3b pot

05-10-2016 , 10:57 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37329726

    BTN: $48 (96 bb)
    SB: $44.82 (89.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $52.31 (104.6 bb)
    UTG: $283.26 (566.5 bb)
    MP: $38.19 (76.4 bb)
    CO: $96.67 (193.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 5 A J
    3 folds, BTN raises to $1, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.25, BTN calls $2.25

    Flop: ($6.75) 9 Q 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.83, BTN calls $4.83

    Turn: ($16.41) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $14.96, BTN calls $14.96

    River: ($46.33) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $24.96 and is all-in, Hero ??




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    Hi!

    Villain is 57/50/20 AF 1,3 over 17 hands.
    Pre, flop and turn seem standard. What about river? Villain should have a lot of hands he can c/ back and show down with so his range should be pretty polarized here. He shouldn't have many sets due to flop and turn action, I don't usually see people shove Q7 type hands for value here. So there's T8 (likely), 45 (somewhat unlikely) and missed draws. We block spades and a J which makes it a little bit less likely he has ss or KJT etc. Can we call this riv?

    Thanks!
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    05-10-2016 , 11:46 AM
    I prefer a c/c on turn, but betting is absolutely fine.

    Bluff-catching is perfectly reasonable on river with there being such a wide range of missed draws, but average players are way too passive for this to be automatic for me. All depends on gameflow.
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    05-10-2016 , 12:22 PM
    River is meh. I think it depends how thin bets villain here for value. If he autoshove any 2p+ than its a fold but if he only vbets str8 than its a call.
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    05-10-2016 , 12:26 PM
    ^^ Why would you prefer a turn x/c? Betting for value is clearly the best play with the amount of draws out there. We're not too afraid of a turn x/r and can call anyway even if it happens. Only reason to check would be is if you think villain will stab turn a bunch in which case we can x/r. Certainly shouldn't just be x/c.

    River I think is a clear fold w/o reads. Obviously with us having the A high FD means he can't really have many missed spade flush draws - since most of them are either willing to GII on the flop (like FD + wrap), are folding somewhere or have hit 2 pair/straight OTR and don't need to bluff/can value-bet (stuff like 9876/9875 - pair + spade FD hands that decided not to raise/GII on flop)

    Only hands that miss is the JT/KJT wrap and a bare JT isn't calling turn and neither should a bare KJT (tho you never know against a random) - would have to have turned a club FD. But someone who jams river as bluf is prob someone also likely to raise KJT with clubs OTT.
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    05-10-2016 , 03:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    ^^ Why would you prefer a turn x/c? Betting for value is clearly the best play with the amount of draws out there. We're not too afraid of a turn x/r and can call anyway even if it happens. Only reason to check would be is if you think villain will stab turn a bunch in which case we can x/r. Certainly shouldn't just be x/c.
    I like having a turn c/c range with the nutflush draw in it, and I think stacks are just deep enough that we indeed should have a c/c range. Might be too fancy though, certainly there are plenty of randoms that are just auto-calling their crappy combo draws.
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    05-10-2016 , 06:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    I like having a turn c/c range with the nutflush draw in it, and I think stacks are just deep enough that we indeed should have a c/c range. Might be too fancy though, certainly there are plenty of randoms that are just auto-calling their crappy combo draws.
    Firstly, balance at these stakes is so over-rated. Most people won't be able to exploit the fact you never have NFD in your x/c range OTT. Secondly, there are better NFD hands that we can x/c turn anyway. As9sxx for instant.
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    05-11-2016 , 01:45 AM
    Simplistically you can barrel nfd if you either have fold equity or you expect villains to call down with worse FDs.
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    05-11-2016 , 06:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Firstly, balance at these stakes is so over-rated. Most people won't be able to exploit the fact you never have NFD in your x/c range OTT. Secondly, there are better NFD hands that we can x/c turn anyway. As9sxx for instant.
    Yeah this hand is a clear valuebet here ott. Balance is very overrated even in midstakes imo.
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    05-11-2016 , 12:03 PM
    wp if you folded river
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    05-12-2016 , 02:28 AM
    fold. he had low wrap

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    05-12-2016 , 05:14 AM
    I called, he had KTT8r
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