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10-06-2016 , 12:48 PM

sngrush

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 621

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37448553

BTN: $50 (100 bb)
SB: $61.05 (122.1 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $26.75 (53.5 bb)
MP: $51.25 (102.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $66.65 (133.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $15.50, SB calls $10.50

Flop: ($31.50) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $14.96, Hero ???

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Hi!

Villain is completely unknown.
I would have shoved if c/ to me, but idk vs a donk, we don't have any FE and I doubt villain just donks hands we are way ahead of. Do we have to GII b/c of the low SPR or can we fold?

Thanks!

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10-06-2016 , 03:39 PM

Controlling

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 593

you need only 25% equity here. we do not need to be way ahead. no problem to be behind in average to make this call profitable so. I would not be surprised if he is donking every flop where he has at least a straight draw. so: i would call.

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10-06-2016 , 04:24 PM

NMcNasty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

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Originally Posted by Controlling

you need only 25% equity here.

Its not an allin spot, and with villain's bet he pretty much commits himself. So we have to treat it as a $50 bet. Vs a complete unknown this is a pretty clear fold. Even vs very aggressive players the call flop/gii on non-spade turn line is marginal at best. You really need a specific read that villain is capable of donking here with complete air.

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10-06-2016 , 05:48 PM

Controlling

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 593

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

I totally misread this hand. I thought he is donking his last dollars! Of course it`s total bs what i said. SORRY.

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10-06-2016 , 06:05 PM

AVO

centurion

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 153

Pokerjuice has a peel&stack off module for those spots, if you think that he will push any turn. And it's kinda weird here... I'd fold. Really, cannot see people bet to fold here. Probably, it's kinda "i'm affraid that AA will check" bet with a hand to shove...

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10-07-2016 , 05:31 AM

sngrush

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 621

Can anyone suggest a PJ range for the villain's donk?

I used this range, but I'm not very experienced w/ PJ - Villain's preflop: 3b 10% and excluded AA; Flop donking range: ss:5+,56+,TT-KK:ss,9: (7,8)

PJ's peel and stack off module spits out 78% stack off OTT w/ 35% avg equity. This overall means that the peel is losing ~5$.

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10-07-2016 , 06:16 AM

horseofhell

grinder

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I feel like you can exclude really strong hands from his donking range. Dont think he donks his entire gii range.

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10-07-2016 , 03:39 PM

NMcNasty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

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Originally Posted by horseofhell

I feel like you can exclude really strong hands from his donking range. Dont think he donks his entire gii range.

This is fair, but you also have to think he doesn't half-pot donk his flush draws since he's committed anyway.

After rereading post though I wouldn't call this a "clear fold". Lazy math had this at SPR ~2 but its actually more like 1.5. Tough players will be donking a lot (but not half-pot) here since tons of combo draws already committed, but I think average unknown is still exploitably tight enough that a fold is best.

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