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PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot) PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot)

04-06-2014 , 07:22 PM
Hand 1)
some stats/reads:
MP is a donk 153 hands: 53/2/1.
CO is a good reg: 2.1k hands 20/15/7
Button 368 hands: 30/7/4

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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    MP: $10.98 (219.6 bb)
    CO: $16.87 (337.4 bb)
    BTN: $2.34 (46.8 bb)
    SB: $6.83 (136.6 bb)
    BB: $7.56 (151.2 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $12.50 (250 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with T 9 6 T
    Hero raises to $0.13, MP calls $0.13, CO calls $0.13, BTN calls $0.13, SB folds, BB calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.67) T K 6 (5 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.51, MP calls $0.51, CO calls $0.51, BTN raises to $2.21 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero raises to $8.29, MP calls $7.78, CO raises to $16.74 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.08, MP calls $2.56

    Turn: ($38.47) 7 (4 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($38.47) 8 (4 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $38.47 pot ($1 rake)
    Final Board: T K 6 7 8
    MP showed A J Q K and lost (-$10.98 net)
    CO showed Q A Q J and lost (-$12.50 net)
    BTN showed 5 8 K K and lost (-$2.34 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$0.13 net)
    Hero showed T 9 6 T and won $37.47 ($24.97 net)



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    I guess my TT96 is a fold pf, but as played was it correct to gii?

    When the button raises to $2.21 he could have even 2pair/wrap since he is a donk/short stack, or set of 6, so I isolate, but everybody else gii
    Was it std?






    Hand 2)

    He is a bad reg.
    31/9/3 in 1.651 hands


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $11.75 (235 bb)
      BB: $12.65 (253 bb)
      UTG: $1.24 (24.8 bb)
      MP: $14.34 (286.8 bb)
      CO: $2.63 (52.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $22.14 (442.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 6 6 7
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB calls $0.20, BB folds, MP calls $0.17

      Flop: ($0.71) Q 6 5 (3 players)
      SB checks, MP bets $0.68, Hero raises to $2.72, SB folds, MP raises to $8.84, Hero raises to $21.92 and is all-in, MP calls $5.28 and is all-in

      Turn: ($28.95) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($28.95) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $28.95 pot ($1.00 rake)
      Final Board: Q 6 5 Q 2
      SB mucked and lost (-$0.22 net)
      MP showed Q Q 4 9 and won $27.95 ($13.61 net)
      Hero showed 9 6 6 7 and won $0.00 (-$14.34 net)



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      The strange thing here is that he has 6% of donking on the flop. 9 in 141 hands.
      So when I raise his lead and he 3bets, I'm 100% lost in the hand, nut sure what to do... He has to have QQ right?
      Is there any chance of set of 5 here? Or even some monster draws like 879x or even 8794.
      Is it standard to limp QQxx in PLO? Thats what made me suspicious.
      And also i'm not used of folding middle set (background in holdem husng) in a somewhat dry board, I can fold botton set, but middle is hard . Guess my redraw (gutshot + runner flush) made me call.

      What was the optimal play here? Fold when he 3bet flop?

      Last edited by dare; 04-06-2014 at 07:46 PM.
      PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot) Quote
      04-06-2014 , 11:01 PM
      H1: you have the effective nuts against everybody who has a stack, so ya, jam that.

      H2: This one is closer. When villain b/3b pot on this dry flop his range is super strong like: QQ,55,then some rando Q678, Q534, 5678 stuff in that order. With the gutter and BDFD I'm prob getting it in and not feeling good about it. You're gonna see top set a lot when you get it 20 PSB's on this type of board.
      PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot) Quote
      04-07-2014 , 03:24 PM
      H1: This is a really bad hand to open UTG imo, as it will flop middle set vs. top set more than you'd like. It also hits sucker wraps, and you don't even have a suit for that matter.

      OTF: can't fold middle set to a min-AI raise and clearly no-one else has a better hand so ram and jam.

      H2: Why raise pf? I guess it's not a horrible hand but really why bloat the pot with this? Just limp and see a flop.

      OTF: I think this hand is easier to play if you don't raise the flop. Sure SB could come along with 78xx but it's still a mistake if he does. You also get to keep position on the turn and give yourself the chance to outplay MP if he does have the dreaded QQ.

      Once you raise and get 3! it's tough to see villain having much besides QQ. You block most of his Q6 combos (which aren't many to begin with) and what else goes ape on this flop? Just recognise you've got five outs, fold, and move on to the next hand.
      PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot) Quote
      04-07-2014 , 03:51 PM
      As played, it seems like a standard gii on the flop (first hand), but there's something to be said for the fact that this only a few notches below a dream scenario for your hand and you're still facing a degree of uncertainty. With the chance of getting the bottom end of a wrap or over setted on most good flops against someone's stackoff range, this is pretty much the definition of a reverse implied odds hand from EP
      PLO5 - 2 middle sets - 2 monster pots (750+bb pot) Quote

            
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