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06-16-2017 , 12:38 PM
Here's another fun one last one for today I promise... What's our action on the river?

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 151.08 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 95.2 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 98.04 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 90.52 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 59.52 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (CO): 150.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3 A 2 K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) 4 J A
BB checks, Hero bets 5.16 BB, BB calls 5.16 BB

Turn: (17.52 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BB calls 14 BB

River: (45.52 BB, 2 players) Q
BB bets 30.96 BB, [color=red]Hero ????
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06-16-2017 , 01:04 PM
It's a pretty easy not-fold
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06-16-2017 , 02:27 PM
I jammed... bad?!? I figured he's bet calling q high flush and some worst


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06-16-2017 , 02:41 PM
I wouldn't say it's bad given villain's sizing
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06-16-2017 , 07:52 PM
I would just call but I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
I wouldn't say it's bad given villain's sizing
If you don't mind, what is your read on his sizing?
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06-17-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by benoit1616
I jammed... bad?!? I figured he's bet calling q high flush and some worst


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I think its bad. If you assume that he bet calls every flush in his range and folds anything worse I think you still might not be good often enough when called.

With 5 clubs dead there are 6 ways (ignoring side cards) to make an A high flush then 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 ways to make J,T,9,8 and 7 high flushes respectively. So thats 6 nut flushes to 15 lesser flushes. The problem is that he probably has most, perhaps even all, of his Ax of clubs combos that he gets dealt in his river range. A suited ace is enough to defend the bb, calls the flop with top pair abd might well call the turn. On the other hand, some lesser club combos should get pitched on every street.

If he really was bet calling any two clubs here its kinda close, maybe even good. Since most players won't do this consistently, I think you are better off just calling.
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06-17-2017 , 08:39 PM
Sheesh Im sketched out about even calling with K hi flush because I think the nuts and only the nuts is well represented here, shoving seems terrible unless the guy is a complete drooler. This is a way ahead way behind spot and I don't think we get called when ahead often enough to shove here. I'm not sure we're even ahead of a betting range on this river with our 2nd nut flush bluff catcher. Probably a call given the runout and our betting though, its a good spot to bluff for him.
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06-18-2017 , 02:42 AM
It's always weird when the river makes a new nut and your backup hand is the 2nd/3rd NFL. There is no way I jam here. People don't bluff OOP much, but if he's holding the Ac then he has a hell of a blocker. The bet size could be meant to not look as bluffy as a pot sized bet. Maybe he thought it was more likely to get called since it is smaller, although I'm not sure why since a pot sized bet is more likely to get called since it looks bluffier.

This spot just sucks.

Last edited by Hrmmmm; 06-18-2017 at 03:11 AM.
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06-18-2017 , 02:58 AM
Snapcall against randoms. Would need deeper reads to jam

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Sheesh Im sketched out about even calling with K hi flush because I think the nuts and only the nuts is well represented here, shoving seems terrible unless the guy is a complete drooler. This is a way ahead way behind spot and I don't think we get called when ahead often enough to shove here. I'm not sure we're even ahead of a betting range on this river with our 2nd nut flush bluff catcher. Probably a call given the runout and our betting though, its a good spot to bluff for him.
lmao. Way ahead/Way behind isn't a river concept matey. No **** you're either way ahead or way behind on the river; the final hand values are already set.
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06-18-2017 , 03:15 AM
People don't lead bluff very often and the villain has to be smart enough to use an Ac in the right way. I don't think this is a bluff very often and I don't think it is a lower flush very often. It is backdoor, I suppose...

It sounds great to make a call here, but I think we see AcXc a lot. Depends whether we see it 71% of the time of not.
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06-18-2017 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Snapcall against randoms. Would need deeper reads to jam



lmao. Way ahead/Way behind isn't a river concept matey. No **** you're either way ahead or way behind on the river; the final hand values are already set.
I bet you're one of those guys who gets mad when people misspell a word on forums. Do you send PMs to people to correct them?
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06-18-2017 , 07:26 PM
Id shove vs a fishy guy that gives reads he over plays made hands unless I have that read i just call the first time around. I don't really make some what thin shoves anymore until I get those reads. If I am wrong i lose all the momentum and tilt they could of been dealing with an they start limping in and then I am on tilt. But its not the worst shove you do have the 2nd nuts. Its just do we have reads he will call with worse is the question. If we are questioning that and not sure then its just a call imho.
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