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PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action

12-07-2016 , 08:26 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37539012

    BTN: $32.81 (131.2 bb)
    SB: $33.88 (135.5 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG: $16.42 (65.7 bb)
    MP: $30.90 (123.6 bb)
    Hero (CO): $49.17 (196.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 K T J
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN raises to $3, 2 folds, MP calls $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

    Flop: ($9.35) Q 4 7 (3 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $4.75, MP calls $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

    Turn: ($23.60) J (3 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $22.60, MP raises to $23.15 and is all-in, Hero folds, BTN calls $0.55

    River: ($69.90) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    Zoom without HUD, no reads.
    Do you think there are enough nutblocker bluffs, sets and lower flushes to make a call, needing about 25% equity?
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 03:20 AM
    I might get flamed for this but I would much rather 3 bet this hand pre than call.

    While not a bad hand I don't want to play it multiway. If the BUT hadn't 3 bet there's a good chance you'd be 5 handed OTF. Your hand lacks the nut potential and you'll end up with second best hand on a lot of flops.

    As played I'm pretty sure you're way behind. You have an uncoordinated monotone board with a lot of action. Calling flop is ok, turn is an easy fold imo. Unless you have reads both villains are idiots.

    Oh and don't play HUD-less zoom.
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 06:30 AM
    It's reasonable to assume button has nuts or nut blocker on the turn after the flop action on this board texture. With the overlay you're getting from MP, I think a call looks good here.
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    12-08-2016 , 06:48 AM
    pre can go either way between call and 3b but I think calling is standard.

    Not pitching the money in on turn. Though life is dick when btn has blockers and MP has some random low flush lol.

    I mean, I think BTN is one brave dude if he just jam pots it with the blocker 3way on the turn

    edit: lmaoooo just checked the results. Yeah. I figured..

    Last edited by Loctus; 12-08-2016 at 06:49 AM. Reason: .
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 07:42 AM
    Don't be results oriented and take detailed notes on opponents, that is the lesson to be learned here.
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    12-08-2016 , 07:52 AM
    It's a super tricky spot in the way that we don't know how btn plays or thinks. Potting turn 3way WITH the nut flush can either be him being scared of a board pairing, or he only does that with exactly the blocker since he wants folds. On the other hand he might also just be super balanced and do exactly that with both the nuts and the blocker.

    If we assume he only ever has the blocker or the nuts, then MP never has the nuts, and we basically get to call down as if we're HU vs btn, but with free MP money. If we also assume that the absolute majority of MP's range is a lower flush, then that is additional blockers to btn having the flush, and makes it more likely he's blocker bluffing.

    This is me being results oriented, but piecing together some logic of their hands. As I wrote above, I would likely fold in this spot, I'm a nit.
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 08:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davebreal
    Don't be results oriented and take detailed notes on opponents, that is the lesson to be learned here.
    Hard to take notes when you play zoom
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 09:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wabomushroom
    Hard to take notes when you play zoom
    you can always ctrl click fold (watch hand mdoe) and buy some time
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 01:04 PM
    About preflop:
    I'd 3bet this hand sometimes. More when I am playing with HUD and have som info about the tendencies of the players at the table.
    But it's zoom and people can fast fold, so it won't go to flop 4-5 ways as often as it would do at a regular table after my call.

    About taking notes:
    For sure I ctrl-Folded and took some notes after this hand
    But if you don't play lots you won't have relevant notes on that many players.

    About the result(-s orientation) of the hand:
    I should not have posted my fold in the hand and it would not have been so obvious what happened.
    For me it was an insta-fold in-game..
    But after I saw what they had I started thinking something along the same way as:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Loctus
    It's a super tricky spot in the way that we don't know how btn plays or thinks. Potting turn 3way WITH the nut flush can either be him being scared of a board pairing, or he only does that with exactly the blocker since he wants folds. On the other hand he might also just be super balanced and do exactly that with both the nuts and the blocker.
    Therefore I posted the hand here.
    It for sure looks strong, but how often will people at plo25z actually nutblocker bluff turn after getting 2 calls on the flop? Often enough to call?
    At least some posters ITT seem to think it might be OK to call here.
    I am not sure, but if I made the call I would feel really stupid the times when I am drawing dead... results orientation
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote
    12-08-2016 , 04:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wabomushroom
    Hard to take notes when you play zoom
    But it isn't impossible. Not doing so is simply being lazy.
    PLO25z: flopped K-hi flush, 3 way action Quote

          
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