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PLO25z - 6543ss 3bet ip, flop wrap+fd on A high board and short stack PLO25z - 6543ss 3bet ip, flop wrap+fd on A high board and short stack

10-27-2014 , 06:47 PM
Full Tilt - $0.25 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 116.92 BB (VPIP: 38.64, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 46)
Hero (CO): 104.48 BB
BTN: 116.56 BB (VPIP: 14.86, PFR: 8.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
SB: 225.16 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 48)
BB: 50 BB (VPIP: 30.23, PFR: 20.54, 3Bet Preflop: 11.03, Hands: 1,648)
UTG: 98 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6 3 4 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) Q A 2
SB bets 21 BB, BB raises to 40 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 19 BB

Stats above.

I ended up folding because I think most of the time my flush draws are gonna be dominated, but since there is a short stack is it OK to assume that?

How about PF? Should I fold?
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10-28-2014 , 03:42 AM
Not too worried about shorty but the SB looks nitty and is still in. I assume his lead range should be pretty strong vs our hand.
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10-28-2014 , 04:00 AM
If you call a 3b with that hand (which is OK 3-way) I don't think you should consider folding here. SB tight after 48 hands?! Don't draw to quick conclusions. Sure he might have a better FD, but thats not likely ... he'd bet/gii Axxx here, AQxx, A + gutshot, Q + gutshot, broadway wrap, obv AAxx and QQxx ... Just ship it.
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10-28-2014 , 04:19 AM
Jamming should be fine. Run some sims. Don't fold pre.
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10-28-2014 , 05:01 AM
dont fold pre

dont fold post

both streets of not folding is slightly better than folding and if you are a reg and play with regs, showing up with this hand is a good thing
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10-28-2014 , 08:23 AM
I think BB has a flush draw very often and we are hoping that SB has AA or AQ or AKJ*

I just call and get it in, not point shoving 6 high at this point

IF you cut out rundowns below 8 in your 6 max game it will help (cut at 9/T to have a solid hard to crack game), you can have space for CO and BTN opens. This is one of the very best flops you will get and you still folded it. These kind of rundowns have a niche in heads up low SPR pots against ranges that conflict with each other or you have position and can play the hand perfectly..

Muck is fine too, depends if you have the reads, the straight aspect alone is strong but it's the redraw that gets you.... but I won't be folding myself.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 10-28-2014 at 08:31 AM.
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10-28-2014 , 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fanerio
dont fold pre

dont fold post

both streets of not folding is slightly better than folding and if you are a reg and play with regs, showing up with this hand is a good thing
I'm imago shoving this hand. Otherwise I think calling would be better. Agree with an idea that these low run downs are generally bad in 6 max tables, but if ones thinks he playing against multiple high cards combos (or sometimes just for balance), I don't mind gambling with low run downs, especially with low SPR on the flop.
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10-29-2014 , 05:39 PM
Would these ranges be accurate?
If so the numbers speak for themselves.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: A2Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
3s4c5s6d42.72% 255,3831,881
AQ,AA,QQ,KJT:*s*s,A*s*s57.28% 342,7361,881

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: A2Q
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
3s4c5s6d35.00% 208,1133,729
AQ,AA,QQ,KJT:*s*s,A*s*s32.45% 174,17141,013
AQ,AA,QQ,KJT:*s*s,A*s*s32.56% 174,86040,990
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10-29-2014 , 06:06 PM
trivial GII, hand plays itself
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10-31-2014 , 03:05 PM
grunch

I like the open raise from the CO with that hand.
After a 3-bet and a cold call of a 3-bet, I gotta be honest I think calling the 3-bet there is close. We do have position which helps but we have a speculative hand that needs specific sets of flops for us to be able to conitnue. Then again, both SB and BB are likely to have big pairs they're not going to want to get away from so we just might have enough implied odds to continue. I would call there just because I hate folding once I've already put money in the pot.

As played, I would fold the flop. You really only have 9 clean outs. Given the action there's too much chance you're up against a set and a flush draw. You're being asked to put 40bb into 90bb pot, plus SB is almost definitely going to make another bet on the turn. The reward doesn't outweigh the risk.
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11-01-2014 , 08:12 PM
You have 9 nut outs 3-way. It's definitely a close spot, and your EV likely runs in line with your pot odds, but can't fault you either way.

I'm getting it in though
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