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04-25-2015 , 08:52 AM
Should we call his raise when we bet?Villian is Supernova plays 4 tables.
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $12.50
SB: $59.83
BB: $25.00
UTG: $38.38
MP: $27.42
Hero (CO): $56.72

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 4 5 K 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80) T 8 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.17, BB calls $3.17

Turn: ($11.14) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.36, BB raises to $19.48 all in, Hero folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $25.86
BB wins $24.76
(Rake: $1.10)
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04-25-2015 , 09:53 AM
I'd size the turn bet around $5 in this spot with the intention of folding to a raise. 7.36 makes things weird/hard. If he calls you go the river with less than 1/2 pot and if he raises the higher bet sizing just costs you more. I guess you could just mash pot and GII here too if you wanted. I think a middling sizing is the worst though.
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04-25-2015 , 09:59 AM
ott the good ol' brute force pot-call has to be better than as played...

anyone checking back flop to realize EQ?
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04-25-2015 , 10:09 AM
This hand is pretty trashy generally,

need 3b stat preflop to make a good flop decision... in vacuum I'm checking back or betting smaller ~2, in vacuum I'm folding this hand pre.
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04-25-2015 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
in vacuum I'm folding this hand pre.
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04-25-2015 , 10:37 AM
i have 22% vpip and this is K754 (such bad hand rank, such bad flop dominance, such bad multiway hand) with an unknown BTN SB BB on the left where we can just fast fold and get more value next hand. Not in the play every ds hand camp. If on BTN then yeah,,, but I don't want to increase the rate BTN is 3bing me just yet amongst about a billion other points I would need to write which relate to how I open in vacuum. There is some chess in poker you know. Raising is like a gambit. I prefer defence.

Of course you are surprised, you 3b pot T862ds on BTN and think it's a bad thing to be 4betted by SB opposed to playing a 3b pot vs a !aa combination from a tight player.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 04-25-2015 at 10:43 AM.
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04-25-2015 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JB1nk
ott the good ol' brute force pot-call has to be better than as played...

anyone checking back flop to realize EQ?
"Equity realization" refers to the relationship between EV and (raw equity)*($ in the pot). Example: if a hand has 50% equity in a $3 billion pot and you make a decision with it that has an EV of $2 billion, you have realized 133% of your equity -- regardless of whether you've bet or checked or raised or called or shot the other player in the head and ****ed his wife.

So you can check back to take a free card, or you can check back because you believe it's the most +EV decision, but "checking back to realize equity" is an empty, tautological concept. It's used this way a lot, and it's nonsense.
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04-25-2015 , 12:56 PM
@rei didn't mean to rub your tautology organ the wrong way buddy.

not a native speaker nor am i interested in the semantics of equity realization

anyways we are obv not bet-calling the flop so isn't xback effectively thus conserving our EQ?
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04-25-2015 , 01:51 PM
check back flop for a free card looks good. As played, if you're gonna bet turn, then I think you gotta bet/call (unless you make some teeny bet)

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
100,040 trials (Exhaustive)
board: T863
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4s5sKc7c36.98% 36,815351
TT63.02% 62,874351


Also, opening and folding to a preflop 3b seems OK too if you're uncomrfortable playing these hands OOP since this hand is the type that is often dominated.
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04-26-2015 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Xptboy

Also, opening and folding to a preflop 3b seems OK too if you're uncomrfortable playing these hands OOP since this hand is the type that is often dominated.
1) we're ip
2) how uncomfortable can it be to play a ds connected hand?

I mean cmon, this hand doesnt really play that much worse than 4567ds, and hopefully no one is folding That pre
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04-26-2015 , 08:53 AM
^^^mm yeah IP it's super easy call. But OOP I guess you could go either way, but I guess leaning towards calling. But nits fold that OOP...
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04-26-2015 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
+1
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04-26-2015 , 09:46 AM
I meant to say that I open fold, just incase the shock is thinking that I meant I am folding to 3b. Folding to 3b after opening is pretty bad. I just don't open here, easy fast fold unless on BTN. The hand does have decent implied odds vs a 3b range, and pretty good play ability vs aces.

If you want to steal from CO go for it, it is a viable strategy to open this wide but it's just outside my comfort zone, but I don't see this hand winning any 3way + pots advantage. Don't really see the need of shock that people don't open Ks7s5c4c outside of BTN. Especially in the donk fest that is zoom plo25.
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04-26-2015 , 02:02 PM
if you don't like $$$ you should also fold this from BTN.

I mean, c'mon, are we really discussing open folding K754ds from CO 100bb deep?
and lol @ the idea that this is a pure steal; sure, this ain't the nut nuts, but if you aren't profitable in sd scenarios with this hand from CO in games you consider to be donkfests, you might have to reevaluate both your opinion about zoom25 and yourself.
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04-26-2015 , 02:08 PM
we have 3/4 cards lower than the bottom half of deck rank
a 3 card rundown with high gaps
will be 3bs and 4bs on our left, maybe a chain of call sif BTN has something specualitve. Instead of being int his flat spot wasting time can fast fold and get ds aa next hand.
flush blockers and str8 flush draw are ok but they are hardly value especially removing J hi vs K hi flush possibility

I score a hand before I decide to play, this one scores low, although it is a decent /borderline low, kudos to you guys who see value though.
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04-26-2015 , 03:00 PM
yeah cause DS aces come around every other hand.
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04-26-2015 , 03:13 PM
he's a nit, leave him be. nits need love too.
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04-27-2015 , 12:07 PM
The latest hand I played of poker

UTG+1: 825,490 (68.8 bb)
UTG+2: 1,148,753 (95.7 bb)
MP1: 1,002,172 (83.5 bb)
MP2: 427,162 (35.6 bb)
MP3: 597,153 (49.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 1,133,958 (94.5 bb)
BTN: 347,010 (28.9 bb)
SB: 656,334 (54.7 bb)
BB: 2,131,968 (177.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q J
5 folds, Hero raises to 27,555, 2 folds, BB raises to 60,000, Hero calls 32,445

Flop: (136,800) Q 4 A (2 players)
BB bets 72,000, Hero calls 72,000

Turn: (280,800) 7 (2 players)
BB bets 140,400, Hero raises to 300,000, BB calls 159,600

River: (880,800) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 700,758 and is all-in, BB calls 700,758

[spoil]Results: 2,282,316 pot
Final Board: Q 4 A 7 8
Hero showed Q J and lost (-1,133,958 net)
BB showed J J and won 2,282,316 (1,148,358 net)


I wish I was a nit, I would have mucked pre to 3b liek a good boy and made more money.
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04-27-2015 , 03:19 PM
^^

umm nice derail

wtf are you doing shoving that river? don't like showdown value? are you supposed to be bluffing? if so why?

also why are you calling the 3b? what do you want to hit?
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04-27-2015 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JB1nk
^^

umm nice derail

wtf are you doing shoving that river? don't like showdown value? are you supposed to be bluffing? if so why?

also why are you calling the 3b? what do you want to hit?
in what universe do we have showdownvalue in this spot?
turn is spewy though imo
pre whatever
end/derail
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04-27-2015 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
he's a nit, leave him be. nits need love too.
Look what you did now, you made the nit spew
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04-27-2015 , 05:41 PM
hand was 10 hours into an mtt last night so bad read...

i advise fold rank 21 when gto is needed rank 17 etc and im nit, no, but it doesn't matter.
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