These might be silly questions but I'm trying to examine some of the spots that seem standard to me but might not be.

Hand 1: so the btn player is an aggressive regular that could very easily be isolating the funplayer with a marginal hand. Think that, with an A blocker and a nut suit, a cold 4bet is pretty normal here? After the 5bet AI I'm not happy with it but decide to go with the hand, standard or not? Do we play double suited KK without an A the same way here?

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 41 BB (VPIP: 31.67, PFR: 18.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
CO: 68.64 BB (VPIP: 51.17, PFR: 30.65, 3Bet Preflop: 6.96, Hands: 393)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.44, PFR: 23.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 826)
Hero (SB): 112.56 BB
BB: 57.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 11)
UTG: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 16)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A 8 K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 34 BB, fold, CO calls 31 BB, BTN raises to 100 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 112.56 BB and is all-in, CO calls 34.64 BB and is all-in

Flop: (269.64 BB, 3 players) 9 J 3

Turn: (269.64 BB, 3 players) 7

River: (269.64 BB, 3 players) 3


Hand 2: think I opening this pre was a mistake, especially with the player to my left. That said, when villain donks pot twice (once into 4 players, and into 2 players ott).. do we fold top 2 pair on this board? or is that just crazy talk? OTF I decided to peel and ship turn on a safe card but when he potted it again OTT I wasn't at all happy about it because even with big draws I noticed calldowns or x/raises are much more common at these stakes.


PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 98.56 BB (VPIP: 94.74, PFR: 63.16, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 21)
BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 29.67, PFR: 13.82, 3Bet Preflop: 3.96, Hands: 252)
SB: 88 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.04, PFR: 27.03, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 113)
UTG: 66.16 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (MP): 153.24 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 Q J 9

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 5 players) 7 4 J
SB checks, BB bets 14.36 BB, Hero calls 14.36 BB, CO calls 14.36 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (58.08 BB, 3 players) 2
BB bets 55.6 BB, Hero raises to 135.88 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 27.04 BB and is all-in

River: (223.36 BB, 2 players) 3

In the first hand, Why did you go all-in with KKss with an unconnected 8?

The second hand is okay I guess. But I would probably fold because against a wrap + fd we are already behind, and against a set we are very behind (even tho we block the top 2 sets, they usually have it when they pot on flop and turn). Also, even if the villain is crazy enough to have only a wrap we are only flipping.

p.s. I am also a learner myself so some of my logics might be wrong

Seems OK. We have a blocker to AA and the opener is very LAG so the 3-bettor is probably doing so lighter than usual. I'd play the same.

Hand 2 seems incredibly standard but as you mentioned OP, preflop is very bad. Shouldn't have lost a penny I'd open QJT7 fwiw.

Allright tnks for the advice guys.

Just because we are behind does not mean we should fold. We only need 33% to call a PSB and break even. Even against a wrap that turned 2 FD's we have 37.5%. Folding to a PSB when you are flipping is theoretically a mistake (of course you don't always know that when the hand is being played ^^).

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

40 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 74J2

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
7cQhJs9s	37.50%	15	0
5h6d8d9h	62.50%	25	0

Not correct.

ofc it´s correct

I would have called the button pre flop because the hand is only speculative because of the 8d. That 8d dangler def hurts your hand and we wish to flop a set of kings or the nut flush draw. Outside of this our hand is suspect.

I'm hoping you won with your 2pair

First hand is definitely best played as a cold 4bet against these opponents and is pushing significant equity against his loose 3-bet range. After you get 5bet it's actually very close but I think you have to begrudgingly get the rest in since he will sometimes not have AA. If he only ever 5bets AA then it's a fold.

Tnks again

Nah, you generally need more with a hand that isn't a strong draw if there is additional money behind. Pot odds = equity you need to call only works when the bet is a shove.

100bb is close to the cut off where AKKx becomes a 4b/fold preflop against many villains (not saying it should be so in this specific hand though). At least at 150bb is generally is. This has interesting implications though since it results in people not 5b jamming AAxx against players they know will 4b/fold AKKx.

I'm saying this as a general strategy tip that in HU pots where you have AAxx in the 120-175bb range you want to mix in calling 4b's to pretty much auto-stack some AKKx hands that you fold out with a 5b. Especially AAKx since you absolutely destroy AKKx and folding it out pre would be a disaster.

/random strat

Yeah, sure, but i mean you just quoted the one statement out of context which in a vacuum by definition is true. Dunno why you did that w/out explaining more.

Not sure what you mean by context. There is basically no context established in this thread in which his statement is correct, so that's not relevant.

His thought process -- i.e. using a basic comparison of equity to direct pot odds to determine whether it's profitable to call or not -- is pretty clearly incorrect. That's it.

I was actually talking about the turn decision when the bet was close to allin (only 27bb behind).

The bet actually is an effective shove when villain only has 27 BB behind. So we can use pot odds but we have to treat villain's bet as a shove, so we need at least ~37 equity since there's a chance other villain can still wake up with something. But we should have that vs solid players.

MoldyDick was talking about the flop primarily. But my mistake for misreading your post.

On the turn, though, you should still look at the effective odds of calling a 1.5 psb instead.

Am I misunderstanding some basic math of pot odds? I thought against a psb you need 50% to call it off, e.g. To call 5$ to win a 5$ pot you need 5/(5+5) which is 0.5?

So there's one apple in the pot, and you opponent bets one whole apple. You have to call off one apple to have a chance at winning the grand total of three apples then in the pot...

Yes, you need 33% to call off a PSB jam. Thinking you need 50% would mean you don't value the money already in the pot.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_dVZYyBxjg

Woah woah, maybe we should skip the crucial advice off of unbalanced strangers step and go back to "poker Day 1". hahaha Love it

****. And I thought I knew enought about pot odds lol. Thanks a lot

Hand 1 it's possible you ran into the top of his range but it's also possible that BTN is not 3b as wide as you think in this spot due to CO only being 70bb deep. That said, GII is still pretty standard here. It's not zoom though so you should have some idea of table dynamic up to now - thinking that BTN could easily be isolating the fun player is different from actually seeing it occur a few times before now.

Hand 2 a pot into 5 players is usually very strong and I actually think folding flop is fine since we are never going to be in great shape at this point. Probably folding turn too as played. (again, pot into 3 just looks super strong here)

Actually, except for meta-game purposes, the best action when faced with a neutral EV jam is to fold. We are adding to the variance without adding to our expected profit, and that's before taking into consideration of rake, which would make a neutral call -EV. Of course, I'd jam all day with a neutral bet/raise, as I can count on what little FE I have to push the action into +EV territory.