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Old 04-07-2017, 06:03 AM   #51
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Guys, I might be a lost case

After running ridiculously bad on PLO50, I got super tilted again and jumped back into PLO500

http://imgur.com/a/aTCJU

Somehow I feel like the poor man's Jeans89. Jump in a game take a few buy ins and leave.

I think you can count the days til im busto. One time it wont go well and thats it. But as crazy as it may sound. I think I will perform better at PLO500 than in lower limits. Sometimes the playstyles are just better suited for you, which is the case for me in 500. I need to win a tourney for 20k to be rolled for it

In PLO50 you have these 4-5 multi way pots every 2nd hand, i mean how can you bluff there, its just impossible, you just have to nit it up, which itself is tilting.

Anyone know something about this Freakymo91 guy? Its so funny. He used to play PLO10 a few months ago and he was losing badly. Then he jumped straight from PLO10 to PLO500. I dont know how he is doing there. He is 4 tabling. He must have won a tourney or the Deal or something. I know him very well from playing with him.
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:57 AM   #52
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Re: PLO25 one week graph Feedback

Do I need to repeat myself?

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As I said it was just for fun. I banned myself now for PLO100 and higher til i reach 10k.
I knew this was bull**** you do it once youre gonna do it again
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:03 PM   #53
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Why is the best rungood always wasted on the biggest idiots?
So much this, like that guy that won the 11th anniversary million last week.

The guy could not lose.....
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Old 04-07-2017, 06:15 PM   #54
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So much this, like that guy that won the 11th anniversary million last week.

The guy could not lose.....
in donkaments that's fine with me tbh. at least if he comes over to cash to donk it all away again.
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:24 PM   #55
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I think I have some strong adjustments to make. Im somehow struggeling a bit at PLO50. Im up and down, not really moving forward. Plus my swings are ****ing enormous, isildur1 would be proud of me but damn, thats just too much.

How the hell can you lose 1.5k in one day and win it back the next day, thats just too much for PLO50. I made some adjustments in HU already and it worked beautifully. For the first time I collected some good money there (instead of coming there and getting punched in the face repeatedly).

In 6max I have to cut down on alot of hand combos especially out of position. Things that worked beautifully in PLO25 became sh*tty now. In PLO25 you could win so many pots by bluffing. It seems like in PLO50 you really need some sort of hand, its crazy.

I hate to say it but I think I have to become a nit.... preflop bois, preflop, dont go crazy
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Old 04-08-2017, 02:42 PM   #56
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Short session with my slightly reworked self. A so called fairytale session, as you would wish it to be every day, but like in many fairytales, there is a monster at the end of it. In my case a brainless dumb turn blocker bluff raise against another 400BB stack, who potted the turn with me holding two nut blockers.

A moment where my old self shined through in a spot where the other guy would never pot as a bluff against another super deep stack. When you step back and think about it for a second its crystal clear. Such a punt move. Maybe I got p*ssed cause the same guy raised me off probably the best hand 3 hands before that and I only saw my blockers and made my move. Well i basically donated 1,25 buy ins to him



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But nonetheless I can work with that

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Old 05-08-2017, 09:56 PM   #57
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I think I will perform better at PLO500 than in lower limits. Sometimes the playstyles are just better suited for you, which is the case for me in 500.
This is a very wrong and dangerous assumption.

If you had enough skill to beat PLO500, you'd be automatically good enough to beat PLO50.

That's because the art of playing poker consists in the ability to adjust properly to any opponents.

At PLO500, you'd be surely playing against strong winning regulars, but there would still be a recreational player or a weak reg at your table (otherwise just don't play at a table consisting of strong regs only) and your profit would come from the ability to win a lot of chips from those recreationals or weak regs in the long term. And this ability would surely allow you to win a lot of bb/100 at PLO50 because it's full of weak regs and fish.

But I guess that you're not winning much at PLO50 so you're not ready to beat PLO500 yet, regardless of how much money you have.

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In PLO50 you have these 4-5 multi way pots every 2nd hand, i mean how can you bluff there, its just impossible, you just have to nit it up, which itself is tilting.
You can't win every pot, but you can outplay your opponents in every hand. Making a correct fold when they naively expect you to call is one of the ways to outplay and disappoint them. When you have a strong hand and they call, that will be the moment of sweet revenge, and overall, you'll be in profit because you'll lose the minimum when your hands are beat, but your opponents will lose a lot to you when their hands are beat by yours.
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In general, you seem to be making a money management mistake similar to the one that I was making 5 years ago. That's because you have a lot of money and think that you're obliged to put it to a good use immediately.

But in fact, there's nothing wrong in letting that money rest in a bank account for a while. Letting it 'do nothing' is still better than investing it with a negative expected profit, which would be the case if you invested it into playing PLO100+ because you likely don't know yet how to play PLO100 profitably.

Are you Slav? (Happy Victory Day, by the way!) If so, there's likely not much financial pressure on you as the basic life expenses are very cheap. For example, earning $300 a month, or $2 an hour, is enough for me to survive.

Learn to earn that $2 per hour (for example, at PLO5 or $1 Spin & Gos) to begin with. Make absolutely sure that you'll always be able to earn that $2 an hour even if things go wrong at the higher stakes. Then it will be so much easier for you psychologically to withstand downswings because you'll know that you can always go back to that PLO5 money printing machine and always feed yourself.

One you know that you're capable of winning in general, start working your way up stakes basing on your skill level. Be careful. If you have $10000 at some point due to running good at PLO25, that doesn't yet mean that you're ready for PLO50, unless your all-in EV in bb/100 is large enough (10 bb/100 or so). If you're not crushing PLO25 yet or you know that you don't understand some of the theoretical concepts that most PLO50 regulars understand well, learn those concepts first, beat PLO25 very hard, and only then move up to PLO50.

This bankroll management method may sound too strict but you need to understand that it's not 2010 any longer. It's 2017, and there are huge gaps in skill levels between the stakes, so moving up results in a higher profit in dollars per hour only if you're crushing the games at your current stake, because your bb/100 winrate is likely to drop by at least a bit upon moving up because of tougher opponents.

And this is the method that has allowed me to stop losing and get onto the path to recovery and to becoming a winner.

Good luck!
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:38 AM   #58
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:07 AM   #59
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But as crazy as it may sound. I think I will perform better at PLO500

In PLO50 you have these 4-5 multi way pots every 2nd hand, i mean how can you bluff there, its just impossible, you just have to nit it up, which itself is tilting.


See the paradox?
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:39 AM   #60
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great post coon74,

I do beat PLO25 consistently. Currently im only playing PLO50 6max Zoom or PLO50 Zoom HU. I used to suck at HU Zoom hard in the past. Was donating money everytime i played. Things have changed drastically now. I seem to perform better at HU than at 6max. Bluffing thin value betting just works much better in HU.

I was cashing out alot after the last time i posted. I was at 4.3k peak. Cashed out about 3.6k. Had to upgrade my computer to the max level. Needed money for some sports betting cause of champions league playoffs (won ridiculous amounts there, started with 100 deposit and 100 bonus and went to 6k)

Left myself with 700, which is enough for me to play PLO25. Went to 1.5k. Switched to PLO50 6max and Zoom and now I am at 3.2k again.

My original plan was to hit 5k and then switch to PLO100, but you might be right. I need to beat PLO50 harder. There were obviously some rungoods involved.

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I was born in Croatia, but now I live in Germany. I dont need Poker for my life expenses though. I have a job, so I can play quite freely.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:02 AM   #61
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It's great to know that you're doing well!

Remember that having a neutral self-esteem is one of the most necessary qualities that make a poker player strong.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:24 AM   #62
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Left myself with 700, which is enough for me to play PLO25. Went to 1.5k. Switched to PLO50 6max and Zoom and now I am at 3.2k again.
How many hands do you play daily and monthly?
What is your bb/100 so far?
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:08 PM   #63
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How many hands do you play daily and monthly?
What is your bb/100 so far?
I usually play 2-3k hands a day and 20-30k a month.

cant tell you winrate right now, Im setting up new database currently. Its between 6-10 usually depending on stakes
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:28 AM   #64
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Had a massive 20 buy in downswing yesterday. I think it was my biggest buy in downswing in the period of one day. I ran 900 Dollar under EV on PLO50 Zoom. Halfway through I became super tilted, still played decently well though, just high variance style and basically lost every situation.

In my mind I already decided to play PLO500 to recover, unbanned myself, which takes 24hours to resolve. After doing different stuff for couple hours I decided to get back on PLO50 and just play the game. Won 400 first session and 550 in the second session, which put me 50 in the plus over 2 days.

Was an important lesson, comebacks are actually possible if you get a decent break inbetween
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Old 05-14-2017, 07:01 AM   #65
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Had a massive 20 buy in downswing yesterday. I think it was my biggest buy in downswing in the period of one day. I ran 900 Dollar under EV on PLO50 Zoom. Halfway through I became super tilted, still played decently well though, just high variance style and basically lost every situation.

In my mind I already decided to play PLO500 to recover, unbanned myself, which takes 24hours to resolve. After doing different stuff for couple hours I decided to get back on PLO50 and just play the game. Won 400 first session and 550 in the second session, which put me 50 in the plus over 2 days.

Was an important lesson, comebacks are actually possible if you get a decent break inbetween
The fact that you think you can will a win in any given session in poker means you fundamentally misunderstand poker.
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Old 05-14-2017, 07:03 AM   #66
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The fact that you think you can win in any given session in poker means you fundamentally misunderstand poker.
I can take small losses 5-10 buy ins quite well, but 20 buy ins in one day is pretty tough
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:14 AM   #67
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Keep at it zoja your luck will turn around
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:00 PM   #69
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HR? Are you an HR manager? ?
Coo.n has a good point there. Only thing i can add is that mental leaks and mental coachings are way underrated in small and midstakes. Lot of hs player very strong ms player play with very low variance and if you see them graphs its very constant. That means 2 things. They know what they are doing( very good strategy ) and never or close to never make mistakes. (Very good in the
Mental part of the poker)
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Lot of hs player very strong ms player play with very low variance and if you see them graphs its very constant.
This means just that they select tables strictly without engaging in too many reg battles. I don't believe that a Zoom reg's graph could ever be so close to a straight line unless s/he deliberately plays at a low stake where s/he is the strongest in the pool by a large margin.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:21 PM   #71
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HR? Are you an HR manager? ?
Coo.n has a good point there. Only thing i can add is that mental leaks and mental coachings are way underrated in small and midstakes. Lot of hs player very strong ms player play with very low variance and if you see them graphs its very constant. That means 2 things. They know what they are doing( very good strategy ) and never or close to never make mistakes. (Very good in the
Mental part of the poker)
Since yesterday I made a huge skill jump, I dont know what actually triggered it. I think alot differently in certain situations now.

I feel like I solved PLO50, now I just need to reach 5k roll, 1.5k to go

One hand was interesting, I think I played it magically. It seems like a meaningless spot, but it makes such a huge difference in the long run and gives you the opportunity to put more bluffs in your potting range. Its just true art if you think about it. Ofc you need to read the board and opponent perfectly otherwise its a huge mistake

Hero raises $1,75, villain1 calls $1,50, villain2 calls $1,25

Flop (5.25$)
KT6

Hero bets $3,24,Villain1 calls $3,24,Villain2 folds

Turn(11,73$)
KT65

Hero bets $11,14, Villain calls $11,14

KT656

Villain checks, Hero checks

Hero shows 93KJ (two pair Kings and sixes)

Villain shows 8JQ5 (two pair fives and sixes)
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Hero raises $1,75

Hero shows 93KJ
I'm pretty sure that the majority of the readers won't approve of raising the whole pot on the button with such a wide range. The sentiment is either openraise to 2-2.5 bb on the button to get a better risk/reward ratio on your bluffs and to keep the stack-to-pot ratio bigger if one of the blinds 3bets, or openraise with a tighter range while limping some weak hands too.

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Old 05-14-2017, 01:13 PM   #73
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I'm pretty sure that the majority of the readers won't approve of raising the whole pot on the button with such a wide range. The sentiment is either openraise to 2-2.5 bb on the button to get a better risk/reward ratio on your bluffs and to keep the stack-to-pot ratio bigger if one of the blinds 3bets, or openraise with a tighter range while limping some weak hands too.
When have you ever seen someone say something like this lol
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OK, I guess I have too much faith in MaximumAnonymity's strategy of minraising a wide range from any position Somehow that was working well for him on iPoker in 2013.

So do you propose to pot from any position at PLO50 and pay tons of that PokerStars rake?
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i support the website i play on

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