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Old 04-01-2017, 04:52 AM   #26
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Re: PLO25 one week graph Feedback

Oh man before going to grind again I just had to jump in the plo 500 pool once. I had 4,2k bankroll. I just wanted to feel the big game once. It was so much fun. Well not at the beginning. I dropped 2k in Lightning fast running ridiculous.

Got in K1010J vs K10Q8 on K 10 5 rb and lost to backdoor hearts. Lost AAKJ DSto AK74 DS all in pre. Crazy ****. But then started crushing. Had 3.4k stack at one point. Got in reraise war on 10 8 7dd i had J 9 10 dd. Guy called turn was d. I knew he had J9 too. So i Check turn in hope that he will bluff the flush now. He did boom. Got him.

Lautie Double checked full house of aces vs me on A Q 4 3 Q . I had Q. Didnt fall for it . Man it was so much fun. The Mind games, people actually bluffing. It was like a wonderland. Sadly i cant post Handhistories cause i have the small stakes version.of OM2. My br is at 5.3k now. I go back to plo 25-50 til 10k. So long road. I just have big Motivation now to reach plo 500 with a solid role. I want to feel the magic again
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:19 AM   #27
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Re: PLO25 one week graph Feedback

Why is the best rungood always wasted on the biggest idiots?
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:27 AM   #28
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Why is the best rungood always wasted on the biggest idiots?
Why all the hate bro? Its not my fault micro rake is that high
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:29 AM   #29
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Yes the only logical conclusion to high rake at micros is to play 500 severely under rolled in a pool with some of the biggest crushers of online PLO where you are most definately a huge fish
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:34 AM   #30
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Yes the only logical conclusion to high rake at micros is to play 500 severely under rolled in a pool with some of the biggest crushers of online PLO where you are most definately a huge fish
You only learn from the best. In that short session I picked up 2-3 things which outweighted the risks already.

As I said it was just for fun. I banned myself now for PLO100 and higher til i reach 10k.

Gridning the same sh*t every day gets boring sometimes. You have to do something out of the box to get motivation again.
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Old 04-01-2017, 03:50 PM   #31
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man this PLO50 sh*t is just wasting my f*king time. Every day i run couple hundred under EV. What the hell is wrong with that limit? 5 Days 800 under EV.

http://imgur.com/a/Vsvfs

playing tournament now.

Only god knows how I managed to actually not lose running this sh*tty

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Old 04-01-2017, 06:56 PM   #32
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man this PLO50 sh*t is just wasting my f*king time. Every day i run couple hundred under EV. What the hell is wrong with that limit? 5 Days 800 under EV.

Only god knows how I managed to actually not lose running this sh*tty
After playing plo500 on 6 buyins, being stuck and still playing to then leave up two buyins ... are you seriously complaining about run bad? You could easily be down 2.5k from what you have and have run 10 buyins over EV at plo50 in the last 5 days. Hell, you could easily be broke.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:24 AM   #33
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need a good way to join the sunday million today :X
pay 250 straight up seems a bit much
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:26 AM   #34
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classic day at PLO 50 again,

I get up and get prepared to play. Start at PLO 25 to warm up. Smooth sailing like always. Just collecting every hand. Midway through graph i switch to PLO 50. I DROP LIKE A F*KING STONE MAN. I mean just look at it. This limit is so f*ked up, setup after setup every hand.
So I fight my way back through this sh*t limit only to find myself in the mega setup the last hand, which I wont even comment cause I would probably explode doing so. Insta Quit after it.

http://imgur.com/a/tIByN

Maybe I will just have to stick to PLO25 cause I might go off completely if I have to endure this stuff on a daily basis.
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Old 04-02-2017, 04:06 PM   #35
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Re: PLO25 one week graph Feedback

there's a couple of guys who posted lifetime graph's with 200 - 300BI below AIEV, so that's that.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:53 PM   #36
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there's a couple of guys who posted lifetime graph's with 200 - 300BI below AIEV, so that's that.
Id like to see that. Any link to find it ??
Is it possible to play for years and never get your EV back?
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:41 PM   #37
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I'm too tired to be bothered with searching sorry.

Two guys who immediately come to mind are ChuckBass (who on the other hand managed to bink a huge win by betting on Leicester lol) and ESKiMO-SiCKNESS.

edit: regarding your 2nd question, here's a toy for you: http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

an example: we assume a reg with a 4BB/100 winrate to play a million hands. we further assume a standard deviation of 160BB/100 (which is totally realistic in tougher games).

we get the following downswing extents and their relative probabilities:

300+ BB 87.30%
500+ BB 86.00%
750+ BB 83.88%
1000+ BB 81.35%
1500+ BB 76.93%
2000+ BB 72.09%
3000+ BB 62.88%
5000+ BB 45.59%
7500+ BB 27.98%
10000+ BB 16.95%
15000+ BB 6.30%
20000+ BB 1.42%

so as you see going on a 200 BI downswing in a milly hands is actually not super unlikely. also makes you wonder who the lucky bastards are that can play a million hands withouth downswinging for even 3BI at some point.

edit: ofc AIEV and down swinging are 2 different beasts, though they are kinda related.

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Old 04-02-2017, 09:00 PM   #38
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not going to lie you seem weak as **** mentally... your really not going to do well if you carry on this way. go build some toughness into you.

If you keep moving up playing above your limits and skill your going to lose and I'm not sure you quite understand this. Jumping into a PLO500 game when your normal game is PLO25 seems like the most stupid thing you could do. If you can't handle swings at PLO25 what makes you ever think you can handle them at PLO500?

Focus on playing good and stick to your normal games, Your logic is so flawed. Your thinking like a fish.
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:05 PM   #39
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not going to lie you seem weak as **** mentally... your really not going to do well if you carry on this way. go build some toughness into you.

If you keep moving up playing above your limits and skill your going to lose and I'm not sure you quite understand this. Jumping into a PLO500 game when your normal game is PLO25 seems like the most stupid thing you could do. If you can't handle swings at PLO25 what makes you ever think you can handle them at PLO500?

Focus on playing good and stick to your normal games, Your logic is so flawed. Your thinking like a fish.
I think it was Jeans89 on Papi's podcast telling stories about Ziigmund going bat**** crazy during hands, jumping around in the room on the edge of a nervous breakdown. So with the righ amoung of talent it seems doable
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:37 PM   #40
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I'm too tired to be bothered with searching sorry.

Two guys who immediately come to mind are ChuckBass (who on the other hand managed to bink a huge win by betting on Leicester lol) and ESKiMO-SiCKNESS.

edit: regarding your 2nd question, here's a toy for you: http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
I got sick after spending some time on pokerdope.
Shall we consider our winrate pre-rake, or after rakeback when making calculations?
Also its Big Bets and not big blinds right
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Old 04-03-2017, 04:32 AM   #41
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not going to lie you seem weak as **** mentally... your really not going to do well if you carry on this way. go build some toughness into you.

If you keep moving up playing above your limits and skill your going to lose and I'm not sure you quite understand this. Jumping into a PLO500 game when your normal game is PLO25 seems like the most stupid thing you could do. If you can't handle swings at PLO25 what makes you ever think you can handle them at PLO500?

Focus on playing good and stick to your normal games, Your logic is so flawed. Your thinking like a fish.
Thats my biggest weakness, always has been. I know the 500z stuff was crazy, thats why I have banned myself now for PLO100 upwards.

PLO25 is not tilting at all for me currently, I have pretty much 200 Buy Ins for that Limit, if I lose 4-5 stacks it doesnt really bother me much, which usually doesnt happen in PLO25. I reign there like a King but PLO50 it gets to me after 4-5 Stacks pretty quickly, especially if there is some crazy sh*t involved.
If I *** up on me own, lets say I get it in with 20% and lose, I can accept that.

How do you work on your mental game? Seems tough stuff to achieve, once I tried to listen regulary to meditational stuff on youtube while playing, positive affirmation kind of stuff, maybe I go back to that.

I think having enough buy ins for a certain limit is the most important thing for me, cause it reduces the tilt potential massively. Ofc the downside is, it will take some time going from 5k to 10k with PLO25 . A nice upswing in PLO50 can get you there quite fast, just havent had one for now. Every day under EV, just making tiny progress, 100 a day.
The road to making those 100 can take you to many places, like dropping 400 in nerve wrecking fashion and then fighting back to show small profit.
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Old 04-03-2017, 05:12 AM   #42
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Re: PLO25 one week graph Feedback

I had the same problem as you.i decide to play in a level with 200 buy ins to not have mental problems with accepting the variance - in small sample.gl at tables

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Old 04-03-2017, 05:24 AM   #43
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For mental game, you can consider hiring Viktor for coaching as he's really into that meditation and mental prep stuff.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:20 AM   #44
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For that matter NL is really the better game. You get it in with top range, the guy is usually dead. There is not much hope left. Isnt that fun though
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:12 AM   #45
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Finally ran a bit better on PLO50. Feels good to have a good jump in bankroll at one day.

http://imgur.com/a/ets4M

add 75 dollars there. Every 5th VIP Step i getr 2750 points, and spend 2500 for 25 Dollar and the rest I play the Deal, and got a fullhouse for 75$ :P

I mean seriously the whole pool is so f*king bad, I havent noticed one good player there (obv cause they all move up fast). So many unbelievable idiots, Im serious. If i would post some hand histories, people would assume Im joking, but its true.

Guy calling cold fourbet with 10 8 33 os flopping 3 3 5 lol
Other guy called down with K J 2 3 on A A 10 twice, only to river a Q

The biggest challenge for me is to control my tilt, thats all. Those are the most tilting moments for me, if a monkey takes the most disabled line possible, but gets rewarded for it.

I miss 500z already, hopefully one day, Im rolled for it.
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Old 04-03-2017, 05:02 PM   #46
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after my evening session where I won another 250 dollars, im up a total of 700 dollars for the day with rakeback and my small "The Deal" win. This is good. Days like this heal my soul
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:10 PM   #47
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Thats my biggest weakness, always has been. I know the 500z stuff was crazy, thats why I have banned myself now for PLO100 upwards.

PLO25 is not tilting at all for me currently, I have pretty much 200 Buy Ins for that Limit, if I lose 4-5 stacks it doesnt really bother me much, which usually doesnt happen in PLO25. I reign there like a King but PLO50 it gets to me after 4-5 Stacks pretty quickly, especially if there is some crazy sh*t involved.
If I *** up on me own, lets say I get it in with 20% and lose, I can accept that.

How do you work on your mental game? Seems tough stuff to achieve, once I tried to listen regulary to meditational stuff on youtube while playing, positive affirmation kind of stuff, maybe I go back to that.

I think having enough buy ins for a certain limit is the most important thing for me, cause it reduces the tilt potential massively. Ofc the downside is, it will take some time going from 5k to 10k with PLO25 . A nice upswing in PLO50 can get you there quite fast, just havent had one for now. Every day under EV, just making tiny progress, 100 a day.
The road to making those 100 can take you to many places, like dropping 400 in nerve wrecking fashion and then fighting back to show small profit.
Just focus on playing the result will be whatever it is, You cannot control this you can only control you actions at the table. So stop worrying about it.

There are some books out there, I don't remember what they are called. I think one is the mental game of poker. Also Tommy Angelo has some books and videos you could check out.

I think the problem might be your actually setting yourself the wrong goals for yourself. I think money goals are bad, For example I want to make 10k in 100 days, It's just a real ****ty goal to have. Imagine you have this goal, You play for a week win 1k or w/e and the next 2 days you lose that 1k. In your mind you like I've just lost 1k and a weeks worth of work, Now your just chasing what you just lost.
How about setting yourself some goals that are going to get your better.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:53 AM   #48
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you sound like a guy I knew(maybe you are him)

We both played 25 and 50PLO. He got cocky and went to 500PLO(whats with you guys and going to 500PLO, why not 200? or 100)

he proceeded to lose 3.5k(his entire roll). I mean you made good money here, why do you have to get so greedy.

Mental game is 90% PLO
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Old 04-05-2017, 02:05 PM   #49
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Guys, I might be a lost case

After running ridiculously bad on PLO50, I got super tilted again and jumped back into PLO500

http://imgur.com/a/aTCJU

Somehow I feel like the poor man's Jeans89. Jump in a game take a few buy ins and leave.

I think you can count the days til im busto. One time it wont go well and thats it. But as crazy as it may sound. I think I will perform better at PLO500 than in lower limits. Sometimes the playstyles are just better suited for you, which is the case for me in 500. I need to win a tourney for 20k to be rolled for it

In PLO50 you have these 4-5 multi way pots every 2nd hand, i mean how can you bluff there, its just impossible, you just have to nit it up, which itself is tilting.

Anyone know something about this Freakymo91 guy? Its so funny. He used to play PLO10 a few months ago and he was losing badly. Then he jumped straight from PLO10 to PLO500. I dont know how he is doing there. He is 4 tabling. He must have won a tourney or the Deal or something. I know him very well from playing with him.

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Old 04-05-2017, 02:57 PM   #50
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I was wondering how can high stakes tables keep running if they re full of regs, i think i ve got a better idea now
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