PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 97.88 BB (VPIP: 58.56, PFR: 37.85, 3Bet Preflop: 13.96, Hands: 629)
SB: 104.12 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 112.12 BB
UTG: 49.16 BB (VPIP: 19.15, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 47)
MP: 49.48 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 155.32 BB (VPIP: 94.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K 2 K A

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 5.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 18.6 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 13.2 BB

Flop: (39.6 BB, 2 players) T J 9
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (39.6 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (39.6 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows K 2 K A (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 63%, Flop 53%, Turn 68%)
BTN shows 4 Q A 9 (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 37%, Flop 47%, Turn 33%)
BTN wins 37.92 BB


Stats above.
He is a pretty bad player.
The turn change anything? The problem is that if I bet the turn and he calls the pot is gonna be big OTR and i'm not gonna be sure what to do.
River is a mandatory check or bet?

Bet flop and easy gii on that particular turn for 100bb IMO.

lol

No its not lol feel player. You are the lol.

Besides turn gii being totally lol, how do you gii on the turn anyway after villain checks back o_0

Turn: (39.6 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN checks

Facepalm

Can you elaborate why this is an easy gii?
I don't see many hands that I'm ahead... maybe he folds twopair hands that didn't set.. or maybe some random 2345~4567. I see lots two pair combos in his range.

This is a 3b pot btw not 4b. Just a bigger than normal 3b pot.

I like your line , but you should be bet/folding turn now he has checked. I guess you can bet flop as it is a 3b pot, if it was a 4b pot he will play against you very perfectly by narrowing your range. Although he is bad player that doesn't mean anything really.

stop posting results in hands mate. This is what causes these bull**** shove turn lines (in bet flop scenario - as any call or raise on flop shuts you down completely - checking such strengthen your range overall)

vs button (60%+)i think its sstd bet flop turn gii (on blanks)and its not even close..
vs co its a totally different story, but i am going to check it with PJ.
obv its scary board etc..etc.. but BU has a lot more funky stuff here + this board hit our 3bet range as well.
i think bet flop is mandatory

Just Wow

This flop totally smacks his range given our blockers and action.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: J9T

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcKcKs2s	46.20%	272,538	9,327
60%!aa**	53.80%	318,135	9,327

if we bet and he continues then we are ****ed. betting is for fold equity alone and some sick poker on turn maybe,,, shoving vs the flop calling range on turn is specualtive but its generally just value towning yourself. (its not like he is playing 100% of his range is it...)

With the nut gut and nut bdfd in addition to our overpair and blockers I just cbet/gii on the flop

no nut bdfd but close

A shove range on flop is probably weaker than a flat range. We don't quite have enough stack invested preflop to make the shove non exploitable and it will depend on villain mistakes (I admit this is a guess based upon other reference points I can't explain as I know the results of the math but not the math itself)

As villain I'm folding or pretty much min raising, bet/stacking off is going to get owned at this SPR when i have position + wide range.

U are of course right. Doesnt affect how I play it tho

+1 i mean.. we cant c/c cause we repping nothing and 0 visibility.. c/f is just too nitty, c/r is bad cause we get called exactly those hands that crush us..

gii on this flop is so bad imo its amazing that you guys so for it, but whatever shove away.

most of his shoves want fold equity with that 53% if he flats though he is super strong,,, and never (ok rarely) folding turn.

I don't always post the results. But in this case I tought would be little bit important to illustrate how wide he calls and plays

SPR of less than 2, and we have 45-50% equity against a loose range. I'm fine with cbetting flop, then once we do we're just committed. If villain is opening wide, (he's at least 60% probably more like 80%), and we're 3betting more than AA like we should be, flop is scarier for him than us (range wise). So a cbet is normal. Even if villain is never folding 2 pair, we might be "bluffing" him off some 89 type hand that has a lot of equity against us.

you proved here the opposite cause this hand is a top 20% hand..
anyway i have to add what i have said it relates only the avg reg population on my limit. bu open 60+% and 3bet in sb vs bu ~10%. So i estimated with these ranges. obv if bu is a nit reg who opens 20-30% of buttons this play could be just spew..
without exact detailed stats (rfi ,3bet)cant say anyone this is a good move or bad move.

allright, i checked. Here can you find my calculation.

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/na...tml?sort=3&o=0

Its pretty strange that result of the flop pot/call is +17bb/100 :O
Some assumption that I made:
if we pot flop villian fold subrange C(and D obviously) and allways gii with A&B
Please doublecheck my calculation.
Ty

I did my own quick one with ppt - he will fold 21% of the time , and his shoving range has an overall 59%. I still think its super bad to shove most turns though against a flat, the common meta is that flats are ridic strong.

If you are pot/calling here you really have no overall balance and this board is nearer bottom shove range with this hand imo

MTFN
I just calculated only the flop pot/call scenario so I assumed villian either fold or push after we potted flop.
Anyway I doublechecked and cant find any mistake..
I also calculated to put subrange C in villian stackoff range to decrease FE but result is almoast the same...
will check it with PPT as well but I think the main problem should be in my calculation but honestly i dont know where but today i am too tired to find it.

"If you are pot/calling here you really have no overall balance and this board is nearer bottom shove range with this hand imo"
It make sense thats why i found strange my result..
peace