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PLO200 sizing problems PLO200 sizing problems

01-28-2014 , 06:43 PM
villain is fairly unknown, might be a reg though. got 86 hands and he's running 28/15; donks 60% (5 chances)

raising the flop and betting the turn is mandatory, but i'm kinda curious what your thoughts about my sizings are.

otf i obv could have gone bigger and set up a nice shove for the turn, but i was hoping to keep his range wider by going smaller (since i perceived his donk bet as kinda weak)

ott i somehow don't like my psb tbh. should i have gone with my flop intention and bet something like $78?
(villain got $194 left in his stack ott)


Thanks for your input!

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22912191

    CO: $200 (100 bb)
    BTN: $442.53 (221.3 bb)
    SB: $562.86 (281.4 bb)
    BB: $263.54 (131.8 bb)
    UTG: $43.78 (21.9 bb)
    Hero (MP): $474.58 (237.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q K T J
    UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, BB calls $7, UTG calls $7

    Flop: ($28) T Q 8 (3 players)
    BB bets $22, UTG folds, Hero raises to $60, BB calls $38

    Turn: ($148) 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $145.20




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    01-28-2014 , 08:17 PM
    since u don't really have bluffs (apart from the odd JJxx), villain is donking as first to act, and this is a very dynamic texture, I'll just raise pot and take max value vs his range. Don't think u should be trying to induce too often in this scenario with a small sizing.

    I'd imagine villain is c/c the weaker parts of his continuing range, but just an assumption in a vacuum for a reg.

    potting the turn given stacks and texture is by far the std play
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    01-29-2014 , 09:07 AM
    well played - need to charge AdKdxx max price to see river.
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    01-29-2014 , 10:49 AM
    Ditto GGARJ. I usually raise bigger OTF. (Will come back to this point later.)

    Then I like potting the turn. For me, potting the turn is standard with all of my betting range, because board is dynamic and the turn card did not change the nuts. The stack sizes are a reason against betting pot OTT (since we then have very little FE OTR with our bluffs). But having top pair really helps about this because we'll mostly beat villain's semibluffs at showdown.

    I'd like to discuss this point OP makes:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Capitano
    otf i obv could have gone bigger and set up a nice shove for the turn, but i was hoping to keep his range wider by going smaller (since i perceived his donk bet as kinda weak)
    I'm wondering if PLO even works this way on dynamic textures. I mean, I recognize this logic from NLH and from PLO on static textures, but I almost never think this way on dynamic textures (unless we're super-deep), because villain has decent equity with almost his whole range against almost our whole range: so smaller sizing seems problematic: when we're raising we're saying that our raising range is superior to villain's donking range and that there's nothing villain can do about it. When we raise smaller, it seems to me that we're making villain's mistakes smaller. But I'm not sure at all about any of this.

    OTF here I usually raise big, either the pot or 70% pot, because the board is so dynamic and we have almost no pure bluffs here: we're basically raising with a range that's designed to be hard for villain to play against: nutted hands, and nutted draws, i.e. pushing equity edges and balancing it so that villain can't be happy stacking off with basically anything but the nuts or a monster draw. Since this is what our range looks like, we want to bet pot in order to get maximum value and/or create maximum fold equity with our range. Our current hand is one of those where we don't mind so much if villain continues because we are IP and have so many draws and visibility (plus having a pair is really nice). So I see why the current hand is one of those that we might want to have a smaller bet sizing for. But since we have such a nice and unified raising range otherwise, I usually throw the current hand together with the rest and raise big. Maybe this is a mistake, I'm not sure.
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    01-29-2014 , 12:19 PM
    raising to $76 will let a psb behind.....
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    01-29-2014 , 12:46 PM
    [QUOTE=CreepyHawking;41976182 Our current hand is one of those where we don't mind so much if villain continues because we are IP and have so many draws and visibility (plus having a pair is really nice). So I see why the current hand is one of those that we might want to have a smaller bet sizing for. But since we have such a nice and unified raising range otherwise, I usually throw the current hand together with the rest and raise big. Maybe this is a mistake, I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]

    I agree that this current hand would lend itself to a smaller bet size ott, but I am lost as to what the smallest size could be?

    1/3 pot seems too small ott
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    01-29-2014 , 02:03 PM
    smash the pot button on every street.
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    01-29-2014 , 04:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MultiTabling
    smash the pot button on every street.
    +1, except the river LDO
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