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Old 04-22-2012, 04:19 PM   #1
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PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

First off, this is in SEK, (1 Euro = 8.8 SEK) -
MP raiser is superaggro and slightly spewy (running about 53/41 3-b 20.8)
BTN is good reg, when he 4-bets he has aces I'd say the vast majority of the time.
BB is a new player, litteraly the first hand I play with him.

So, the only one I can put on aces is the button, is this a profitable all in pre? I am baffled.


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    MP: $7,552.17 (377.6 bb)
    Hero (CO): $2,941.78 (147.1 bb)
    BTN: $4,121.01 (206.1 bb)
    SB: $595.53 (29.8 bb)
    BB: $4,000 (200 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 6 6 9
    MP raises to $70, Hero raises to $240, BTN raises to $820, SB folds, BB calls $800, MP raises to $3,530, Hero calls $2,701.78 and is all-in, BTN raises to $4,121.01 and is all-in, BB calls $3,180 and is all-in, MP calls $591.01

    Flop: ($15,193.80) 8 4 5 (4 players, 3 are all-in)
    Turn: ($15,193.80) 4 (4 players, 3 are all-in)
    River: ($15,193.80) Q (4 players, 3 are all-in)

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    Old 04-22-2012, 05:29 PM   #2
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    with 4 people in, you'd need to win a little more than 1/4 times so your hand needs to have at least 25+% equity vs. four hands. We need to assume one person has AAxx. In that scenario I think you have about 25% equity against AAxx, a top 10% hand, and a top 25% hand...but if any of your flushes are covered (likely) it's going to reduce your equity.

    I wouldn't make this play but if you could get 4-1 on your money every time you made this play, i guess it would be marginally profitable.
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    Old 04-22-2012, 05:30 PM   #3
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    za im prettz sure u gotta go with that
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    Old 04-23-2012, 01:37 AM   #4
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    Say it was 7788 ds, I would have to go with it, right? I guess the gap is too big between the 6 and the 9 to make this profitable aswell.

    Probably should be a fold afterall, considering the flatter from bb very often has some sort of rundown or wrap containing an 9 (or a 6) like he did this time, also counterfiting my straight opportunities.

    Not sure though, any more thoughts?
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    Old 04-23-2012, 01:49 AM   #5
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    Ya get it in.
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    Old 04-23-2012, 02:00 AM   #6
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    shouldnt this be really easy to solve with ppt?

    my gut says its a really marginal jam
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    Old 04-23-2012, 09:38 AM   #7
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    1st two say get it in, respond saying i guess i should fold...

    next 2 say get it in, balls in your court OP
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    feels like a fold, im not confident we have 25% often enough to want to put in another 135 bb
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    Old 04-23-2012, 07:48 PM   #9
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

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    feels like a fold, im not confident we have 25% often enough to want to put in another 135 bb
    by then we need waaay less than 25%
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    Old 04-24-2012, 02:12 PM   #10
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

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    1st two say get it in, respond saying i guess i should fold...

    next 2 say get it in, balls in your court OP
    well I someone saying "get it in" without motivation isn't really what I expected, yet the first post did make me think it might not be that profitable, seeing as all I've invested is a 3-bet, I now need to risk my remaining stack which is almost 150bb to win, fair enough, a big pot, but is it worth it?

    The general feel however is that I should get it in, and I thank you all for your opinions on the matter.


    Actually, if it's this marginal, shouldn't it be a fold? That's what people kept telling me when I started playing PLO - avoid marginal spots.
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    Old 04-24-2012, 05:40 PM   #11
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    While you have the right odds (almost) I'd fold 100% of the time. Without even thinking.
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    Old 04-24-2012, 09:44 PM   #12
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    just ppt it.

    enjoy the variance train. choo choo.

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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

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    Actually, if it's this marginal, shouldn't it be a fold? That's what people kept telling me when I started playing PLO - avoid marginal spots.
    Nearly all spots are 'marginal' in PLO. Just focus on making +EV decisions.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 07:54 PM   #14
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

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    Nearly all spots are 'marginal' in PLO. Just focus on making +EV decisions.
    this basicallt, if u fold in marginal spots like this (not that marginal after the action) your gonna lose. gotta be willing to gamble it up as long as u have a roll able to sustain the variance. (disregard this BS if u run like I do)
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    Re: PLO200 (in SEK) - 6699 DS AI pre deep multiway?

    plus the more marginal spots you play the more vpps you earn
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