Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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CO: $392.79
BTN: $664.06
SB: $173.45
Hero (BB): $203.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with Q A 3 3
CO raises to $7, BTN calls $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($22.00) 3 4 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($22.00) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $17.63, CO folds, BTN raises to $73, Hero ???


Hi!

CO is a competent reg playing 34/20/7,7 over 630 hands.
BTN is also a reg playing 32/18/7,1 AGG% 28 over 442 hands. Bets vs missed cbets IP OTF 22% so far.

I think flop donk is standard here due to this texture hitting us the hardest and our hand would like to get value from tons of worse hands that are calling a bet. I don't know why I didn't donk, would You consider it a mistake?

Now OTT after it c/ through we should have the best hand very very often, the biggest concern is QQ but we block one Q. Donking OTT is standard I guess, but once we get raised would it be better to rip it in or just call?

Thanks!

Lead flop imo

if we don't lead flop- check call turn let him bluff river

as played think I am happy gii on turn if he is aggro / competent with the Q blocker, he could have lots of diff wraps or 2p+ wraps , if he is a super nit I am not sure, maybe closer to a call and see what he does on river

I'm not sure I'm a fan of x/c turn

Betting might be better , my thinking was that Q doesn't hit our range and are people going to be calling with random weak Q's ? (then again they probably aren't going to bet random weak Q's either)

Are you bet gii here ?


If we flop lead we can easily barrel this turn of course

Great flop to lead considering it is much better for our range than either of the two other players. This can easily be balanced by leading some air w/ backdoors or some semi-bluffs like 8x, straight draws etc. As played I guess villain is repping QQxx but we have a blocker to that so I'm definitely not folding and calling a lot of rivers.

"easily be balanced"

Easily is a strong word, perhaps I meant to say these types of flop donks can be balanced with varying degrees of difficulty depending on whether you're gay_on_tse or anyone else.

Betting flop seems best as our set is quite disguised, we start getting value and we do not risk flop getting checked through. Lot's of combos of hands can call you. Simplifies our decision on the turn to bet again.

As played, what first comes to mind is QQ when he re-raise turn but we have the blocker... Don't think we can fold with the blocker. Btw, would he ever do this with Q8 as you showed weakness on flop?

I am not sure if it's better to ggi on turn or just call?

Why do 10z players give advice on a strategy forum

These threads are meant for discussion of hands , a good way to get better is to share your opinions and bounce them off of other people to develop a better thought process and more game knowledge. I don't see anyone saying their answer is the only answer or suggesting their 10z knowledge is superior.

I suppose posts such as yours is why you still play in the 10z pool?

Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute.

Thank you for your opinion.

You are behind with two outs, if you are lucky. Fold now. Bad bet on turn, should have led on flop.

I don't see how he can fold with 100bb. Button never has 44 or 88 when he checks flop last to act. his raise on the turn after flop check is never a bluff on 348Q rainbow, but he can have some Q8 if he's not an ubernit, maybe even Q4 with a straight draw and of course dreaded QQ. which hand do you call in this spot then?


I think it makes no difference as long as you don't fold, you'll almost always face a shove on the river and you won't fold any river card

No good regular is raising pot with less than bottom set in position when a calico queen hits the turn. Unless you have a read, 8qXX is the only hand you are ahead of. If he checked the 8 (xx straight draw) on the flop, he is not raising pot when this blank hits on the turn. 44 or qq is my guess. And if he has a read on you and thinks you will go nuts with bottom set, he could have checked 88 on the flop. Most people learn to not call with 22,33,44xx because the worst thing that happens is you hit your set. You have no other draws, fold. Or go all in and rebuy.

Lmao, having a read that someone plays a flopped set strongly so they check 88 on the flop...

I am very slowly learning to not try to (soul)read what opponent would do. This is one of those spots where its hard to evaluate what he might or might now do and even harder to simulate his ranges in PokerJuice. So you should probably take a look into your ranges and see, noone will give you a better answer than your PJ homework unless he did the homework instead of you.

When I first read the hand. I thought it was the PFR that took this line, and I thought it was a super easy calldown. After realizing it was the button cold-caller, I think it's a super easy fold. After facing 2 flop checks on this board texture, it's kind of hard to come up with many Q8/Q4/JT9 combos that would do better checking to realize equity than just betting 15 bucks and likely ending the hand immediately. You're just going to run into 88/44 super often here. The default action when this flop texture goes check/check/button bets, is everyone folds. That should tell you a lot about what kind of range he's going have to take this line.

A 2/3 pot flop bet by the button is going to result in him taking down the pot immediately 60%+ of the time easily. That goes up even more when he is blocking one of the pairs. Button can print money betting super wide here. Any non-set that might want to raise this turn for value would have just bet the flop. As far as hands that bluff raise the turn, JT9x would also likely bet the flop here with all the immediate fold equity plus the chance to turn a draw and barrel. The only bluffs that make a lot of sense to play this way are J976/J975. You're definitely getting pretty thin in the bluff department when you have to start naming 4 card combos.

Basically, if button is in a spot where he can profitably bet 100% of his hands on the flop, when he checks back, and then takes an action that reps greater than 1 pair, he's super likely to not have 2 pair.

60%+? are you sure about that?

I'm not positive on 60%, just going by my feel of how co/bn/bb ranges play out on this texture. BB is going to want to lead with a big chunk of the hands that he wants to continue with. It's pretty damn hard for either of his opponents to be able to raise a lead with any decent frequency here without going bat**** on the bluff side of things, so without much real threat of a raise, I think betting is superior to check/calling with draws, 8x, 99-KK. BB can have some checkraises here, but I don't think he's going to be checkraising any more than 15ish% of his overall range given how wide he can/should lead here. I think BB checking is a pretty good indicator that he's not going to be continuing very often. I think 30% is a pretty generous continuing frequency for BB once he checks this board.

For the PFR, there's a little extra semi-dead money out there once BB nueters his range by checking, so he's going to have some extra incentive to c-bet. If button tries to raise with a high frequency here, he's going to end up bluffing way too much and CO has plenty of potential wide bet/3bet hands available to him. I think most of buttons continues against a cbet will be in the form of a float. So CO's check/continuing range will be the occasional c/r and then some hands that are good enough to continue with, but would rather keep the pot smaller if possible. A lot of his 8x will have overcards with backdoors to go with them, so they don't mind betting and getting floated. So we're left with the worst 8x, some overpairs, and some hands that have some sort of A234567 kind of stuff going on. I think those hands are going to make up a fairly small portion of CO's opening range in comparison to the stuff that wants to either cbet or check/fold.

BTN is probably checking a bunch of those hands based on this stat:

You might be right on that bet vs. c bet stat, but I still kind of feel that in this situation, with a pretty dry texture where BB's range is clearly in first place, CO's range is clearly in second place, and buttons range is clearly in third place, even more flop-passive TAGs might see some value in having a wide betting range. I can see this guy maybe checking back KQJ4 bdfd type hands, but I really can't fathom anyone thinking that QT98 or the like plays best as checkback in this situation unless his opponents play very unorthodox.

really just a simple spot.

Leading, c/ring, and c/c flop (to c/r turn), are all perfectly fine.

Leading and c/ring turn are also both fine. I'm not really a fan of a turn c/c though, I think we're just missing value vs random one pair too often there.

Facing a raise isn't really different than any other spot where we're facing a raise with bottom set on a dry board. Vs average, straightforward opponents, regs or not, we probably don't have odds to stack off. Folding is super-exploitable, but imo not folding is just clear -EV given how people typically play.

I dont think its a +ev bu stab spot otf w/any4but it really depends on bb &co. 60% is just highly overestimated imo. Agree w mcnasty you can play it a lot of way mostly it depends on your own strategy. If you know how he plays w his q8 hands and how much he stabs otf multiway maybe you can have a picture but Theory wise vs unknown obv its a stackoff no doubt. If you fold this hand you just fold everything except qq in this spot and given the fact we are not blocking any draw but blocking QQ (what he reps) it would be a big adjustment to do at the first time in my playbook

...but if he is a dirty nit or you think he never ever raise here w anything worse you have to just fold and exploit him